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  1. helmstead

    Let's Look at our Different Feeding Practices *GOATS*

    We creep our babies (all dairy) til they're 6-8 mos old, too. 20 is spot-on that after 8 mos, you would experience over-conditioning if you continued, but it does aid the dairy goats in gaining maturity faster (which helps you both in showing juniors and getting to the breeding readiness more...
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    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    A) I milk my WHOLE herd. We just rarely GET any of that milk for ourselves because we feed bottle babies with it. This spring, I had FOURTY lactating does, FYI, and should have somewhere in the ball park of 20 this fall in milk. I'm currently milking 3. A-2) We don't eat our goats...
  3. helmstead

    Summer/Fall Kidding Watch =D Bella Kidded 10/2 PICS pg 17

    Because Emma is HIS goat, DH got to name the retained doe kid. He named her Em's Sheila. :idunno She doesn't look like a Sheila to me, and I'm terrible at an Aussie accent, so I can't make it sound good LOL
  4. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    20 - I have read a thread on another forum where a breeder's goats ate the 'dust' as she used the very last of a bag of medicated feed and became quite ill (severe scouring). We wondered at the time if the dust contained a concentrated amount of the medication...I surely bet that was the case...
  5. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    GA - It doesn't affect the milk's flavor and is mostly water soluble and excreted through the urine...and is an FDA approved food additive, so is safe for human consumption (E510).
  6. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    I would tend to say that if you aren't seeing weight loss (which obviously on show animals would be counterproductive!) that you're within the safe margin. I cannot find the actual mg/head/day that is dangerous. The 40 mg/head/day was just the top of the margin on that chart...they always give...
  7. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    Roughage products first is good, that means your feed is probably alfalfa meal based. According to the chart I found (published by the maker of Rumensin 100, with a side chart on generic Monensin doses)...since you're over 7.5 mg/head/day, you're good. The reading I did led me to believe that...
  8. helmstead

    fruit pits... and a few more questions

    We have an overabundance of black widows and brown recluse and brown widow spiders. :sick And I mean they're EVERYWHERE out there...even had a brown recluse climb out the tube of the 'barn TP' last summer and surprise the dickens out of me. So far we've had one buck get one BR bite, on his...
  9. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    Exactly and nutshelled...thanks ;)
  10. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    What you said was: You have also missed the point. If you read more carefully, you will see that the point here comes to the base of quality goat pellets being the same. And beyond milk production for human consumption, there is no contradiction to using a medicated 'meat' formula for a dairy...
  11. helmstead

    Summer/Fall Kidding Watch =D Bella Kidded 10/2 PICS pg 17

    Sassy's buck (sold) Emma's blue eyed and moonspotted buck (sold) Emma's moonspotted doe (retained)
  12. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    Rumensin is the name brand for monensin...so they're the same. It is really hard to find a goat feed with more than 2.5% fat. Interestingly, it is more important with goats to have higher roughage % in the feed than higher fat. You'll find that if you increase the roughage % in the bagged...
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    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    Deccox doesn't have a withdrawal time but I'm not sure about Rumensin...
  14. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    20 - find out how many mg/lb of feed are in the mix, then, for Rumensin - you need between 7.5-40 mg/head/day. I know, big margin. :rolleyes:
  15. helmstead

    How much should I charge for sections off my steer?

    We buy the hanging weight from a family member who raises angus, and then pay the butcher separately for processing. Last year we only paid $1.50 per hanging lb...then I think with processing it was still under $5 per lb. So I don't think you're far off.
  16. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    Please start your own thread to discuss how you feed/what you feed if you'd like to, Mossy Stone. I would rather this thread stay on-topic, and it is discussing commercially available bagged feeds.
  17. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    Mossy Stone, I'm glad that's working for you, but it's not really relevant to the topic. Lets not turn this into a bagged v/s milled discussion.
  18. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    PJisaMom - yep, you're fine. The point of a dairy feed is to provide milk that humans can drink - so a nonmedicated ration will achieve this goal.
  19. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    :hugs Thanks, y'all. Nicki - Deccox is an inhibitor, it doesn't actually kill any of the cocci, just inhibits growth (works at 5 different stages of the cycle). So, with Deccox, undermedicating adults isn't a huge deal - but in KIDS you want to somehow achieve the correct dose (Deccox-M is the...
  20. helmstead

    Meat Goat v/s Dairy Goat Feeds

    I've been lurking, and find my fingers dying to post on this topic, so I'll start a thread to avoid further hijacking the original thread (http://www.backyardherds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=11618&p=3). Those who are advising against long term use of a meat goat feed in dairy goats, this is for...
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