Aggressive doe.

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The whole "Goat tackling" idea is based on horse training probably not used much in today's times, or not talked about, it is referred to as "laying them down". The process is tying a front leg up and lunging the horse until it is tired enough that you can "lay it down".. This is a dominance technique. Regardless, my opinion about goats and any dominance technique used is that it has to be used constantly because they are stubborn animals...
As far as the "bossy" doe goes, they are goats! I see people on this forum all the time talk about the "natural" way. Goats naturally fight. They are a herd with a hierarchy it is natural. They will settle the dispute and they will establish a hierarchy.
 

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Goatmasta said:
...As far as the "bossy" doe goes, they are goats! I see people on this forum all the time talk about the "natural" way. Goats naturally fight. They are a herd with a hierarchy it is natural. They will settle the dispute and they will establish a hierarchy.
Dominance is one thing, going for blood is another. Some goats are just out right mean (or cranky, depends how you look at it)...Especially if you have a smaller area, getting rid of the one breaking the other goats is usually the better option over bringing the injured goats to the vet ($$$$), or burying them because they are injured too bad (more $$$$).
I just sold a doe for doing the same exact thing...She would chase my other girls around and head butt them until one of them actually started jumping the 4 1/2' fence to get away from her. The girl she was picking on wasn't allowed to eat hay - even when it was separated - and got chased whenever the queen goat saw her. Not acceptable in my book, dominance or not. Especially if it has gone on longer than 2 weeks...
 

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I am all about letting them sort out their differences and get their pecking order but when one doe can't even walk when its all over with I am not cool with that. That is the problem I am having. I am tired of separating her from the rest and then once the others are better starting the same thing over again. I understand that in all herds there is fighting but when it comes to one injuring the rest all the time that is when it is time to sell or cull an animal. I had pretty much made up my mind that she had to go but this was my last hope in finding a way to keep her.
 

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I agree that not all herd queens are created equal. I had an exceptionally bossy herd queen that required a little extra work on my part to work around and make sure everyone got their ration. Now, although they have a definite hierarchy, the boss lady is only as pushy as is required to make her point. She's far more tolerant of sharing feed and there's no extra consideration required on my part.

I would say, if you're very much inclined to make it work then there are ways to do so. If it seems like more trouble than it's worth, then sell her. You have to do what fits best in your particular herd management plan.
 

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I've had to sell a few really, really nice goats I'd have loved to keep because of dominance issues. When the other goats suffer, I do think it's time for the 'meanies' to go.
 

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Just to prove a point.

I believe I bought one of n.smithurmond's "bossy" goats. I now have to feed her separate from everyone else, because my original goats push her around. So even if this particular doe is not working for you, you might be able to place her in a home that corrects your problem. It is definitely worth a try.

I couldn't ask for a better goat than Annabell (I love the diva). It's my original goats (the shy one, lol) who turned out to be a meanie. She is now in goat confinement so that my baby Sirena can fatten up. Annabell still has to eat on the milk stand, like a diva that she is. I cannot expect her to eat with all the other goats, it would be beneath her. :lol:

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I was being silly, truthfully Annabell eats much better on the stand, she tries to push her way to the feeder, but everyone else is bigger than her and she just gives up. So I make time to feed her on the milk stand and Sirena comes in with me and eats out of a dog bowl on the floor of the milk room. That way we are all happy goaties and everyone is getting their share. Also Annabell loves to be scratched when she's done eating. I thought I would never earn her trust, but she now loves to be scratched and petted on. She tolerates Sirena eating close to her as long as she stays by her bowl.
 

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Yes, AB was a bossy pants when she was here. I think part of it is that she was the ONLY doe who got along with our ultra-bossy herd queen, so it was easy for her to fill the second in command position without much effort on her part! :lol: I think the herd dynamics and the personalities of the other goats they live with really affect individual personalities. Another herd may have a doe strong enough to keep the aggressive one in check, even if the current herd doesn't.
 

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n.smithurmond said:
Yes, AB was a bossy pants when she was here. I think part of it is that she was the ONLY doe who got along with our ultra-bossy herd queen, so it was easy for her to fill the second in command position without much effort on her part! :lol: I think the herd dynamics and the personalities of the other goats they live with really affect individual personalities. Another herd may have a doe strong enough to keep the aggressive one in check, even if the current herd doesn't.
I think herd dynamics are so interesting. Our newbie (Peekaboo) kidded, so she is having some pen time with the other goats now (just for a little while, so the babies could have run of the kid/kidding pen; we are bottling them). I thought the herd queen was going to be the problem (and when peek was pregnant, Ali (the queen) was mean to her whenever she got the chance). But, #2 in command is the one clashing with her. Unfortunately, #2 has a small small scur (like a fingernail sticking out, truly very small) and it is scraping Peekaboo's head. I think Peek is trying to shake up the order and Amber is trying to hold on to her position. Bah! Goats!
 

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That temperament will be passed on to her kids, you dont need them or her in your herd, sell her for a brush goat. Or personal one goat pet.
 
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