C&D Farming..oh what a life!

[Jesusfreak101]

Okay about busty and her milk supply she a Nigerian correct. And everyone that i can recall talking to doesnt get a half gallon from one. I get that from a nubian doe and a gallon a day if i milk twice so i don't know about that. But that being said every goat produced different amounts. I had one that gave a half gallon a day being a nubian for along time then she eventually gave more. But just depends on the animal. I never had a Nigerian through so i could be wrong but i would find it had to get that much milk fro. Her in my book. Either way milk is yummy.

 

[Bruce]

I was running some of them through my head, to see myself yelling them through the yard as the goats misbehave....could you just imagine that one?

Fantasia - sure, Glitter - why not, Thong?? No I can't see that. I don't think I'd name any of them "Chesty Morgan" either. Here, I found this for you
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My farmer friend doesn’t believe in the govt! But we don’t want to get arrested!!

Does he believe in things the government does like road maintenance, fire dept, police/sheriff dept, public schools?
Yeah getting arrested or even finding out after the fact what the health dept might do if you aren't selling legit wouldn't be much fun.

 

[Jesusfreak101]

Okay the horn thing nope first that would kill a goat second thats worse then burning forget that nonsense you can burn calves horns as well. I had to do my last kids all but one multiple times. And they still grew some(most likely my fault my first disvuddibg and let's just say i was a nervous wreck after reading stories of burning to long)

 

[B&B Happy goats]

I used to dehorn ....And have a new burner. But I love horns, they look good, they are natural, and make great goat catcher...just keep your face where it belongs and you won't get hurt ...if your cautious

 

[farmerjan]

Understand that I am not one big on Gov't regulations and I don't do alot of the "most modern up to date " health stuff. We do use a killed virus vaccine on the cattle. I don't believe in the modified live virus vaccines. If you lose an animal or 2 and then find out it was something you could have prevented with a simple vaccination, then you start to get sensible about some things. We used to not give any vaccinations. Then lost 2 calves at about 250-300 lbs. Nice calves. Found out with a vet call that it was blackleg, caused by a clostridium that is prevalent in wet spring green grass growth. Calves will have passive immunity from the cows for about 6-10 weeks. It is a simple vaccination, killed virus, and given once a year. Many only give it for a year or 2 then they are supposed to be able to make their own immunity to it. Safe for pregnant animals.
Sorry, but we cannot afford to lose one animal to it when it is so easily prevented. We give it to all our cows when we run them through the chute once a year. The calves all get it before the cow/calf pairs go to spring pasture.
Another one is Lepto. Causes abortions. Carried by most all mammals. Found in streams from foxes, dogs, cattle, you name it. Again, a shot will help prevent it if you are not in an area where it is in high concentrations and then you go to 2 or even 3 times a year vaccination for it. Killed virus. Safe for pregnant animals.
These are 2 CHEAP vaccinations that can prevent you from coming out and finding a 300 lb dead calf that could be worth $500 or a cow losing a pregnancy that will put you back 6 months or a year and the lost income from that calf that doesn't get born. Costs are about $2.00 for each, once a year..... Like $5 per year for those 2 per animal. Sure beats burying a $500 animal for a $5 shot.
Because we buy and sell some cattle, we are inviting disasters with strange cattle in and out. You don't know what they have been exposed to. Think of buying in animals with exposure to who knows what like kids going to school and getting exposed to every other kid that has a cold...... or flu...... or measles..... or whatever.
Buying anything, like all the animals you got just recently, is exposing your animals to all kinds of possible problems.

So we are now using a killed virus vaccine, broad coverage, that will help to keep the problems down. Triangle 10 HB which will pretty much help to protect against most things they can get exposed to. Supposed to do 2 doses to get a good immune response, and sometimes we don't manage a 2nd dose exactly when they should get it. But their immune system is still mounting a response. Maybe not as much of a response as a modified live vaccine will, but there is no chance that anything else can possibly cause a problem for any other animal in the herd through exposure. You cannot use a mlv on a calf that will go back with it's mother if the mother has not been vaccinated with a mlv prior to becoming pregnant, because if she is pregnant as she can abort. Doesn't happen often, but it can and has. There you go with a lost pregnancy.

I am telling you this about the vaccines, mostly just so you get an idea of what can go wrong ; considering that your neighbor does not believe in vaccinations. I think that we, as people in general, overdo it with alot of things. In humans, I am totally against giving new babies all these vaccinations all together at such young ages. The mothers colostrum and subsequent milk will provide some immunity. We are overloading the babies brand new system with all this stuff and it cannot handle it. I am not against vaccinations..... I am against dumping a dozen things all at the same time when the body cannot mount a normal immune response to one thing because it is scrambling to try to deal with 10 things. But I am not against vaccinations in general. Where would we be without tetanus vaccines for people when they get an infection from a rusty nail or a dirty cut?
What about rabies vaccines?

I don't like alot of government interference. They are trying to control TOO MUCH of our day to day life. But there are too many people who just don't get the whole "taking responsibility for themselves" and want the gov't to be the responsible party. They are the ones that will turn around and sue you and you will lose everything because just like the lady that sued McDonalds for the HOT COFFEE...... she didn't know it was going to be that hot...... Give me a break.

 

[farmerjan]

Yikes!! That is a lot to think about!! My old farmer friend doesn’t play by 5he rules in any way shape or form. He told us last nigh5 5hat he never took his animals to the vet....said he doesn’t believe in vaccines, etc. ????? He sells his cows to butcher. He’s a wonderful man, and a dear friend, who shows up on my door just to help me find a chicken...last night. It was just by chance. He came to drop off farm newspapers. But, Chris listens to a lot of what he says. Not about his way to sell the cheese. Chris would NEVER risk what we’ve built. But, a bunch of my kids’ horns seem to be growing in, despite being debudded by the vet 4weeks ago. The iron will be here in a few days. Our friend told Chris we should wait and if need be..scoop them out...like he did on cows. I don’t want to do that one bit. These are goats...not huge cows.

Anyways..I will go to those websites and read what is involved in selling cheese or fudge. If it’s too involved, I’m thinking, it might not be worth it? Thanks @farmerjan !!

If he can afford to take a few loses of calves etc then good for him. The thing is, we no longer are "isolated" in just our own area like it used to be. There are animals that move hundreds of miles, move next door to you, things like that that 50 years ago you hardly ever heard of. I am going to take an animal to a vet rather than lose it. I don't run to the vet for every little thing. There are times that it doesn't make economic sense to have a vet for an animal.... the cure costing more than the animal is worth. But a few simple vaccinations costing a couple dollars each, is sure a he// of a lot cheaper than burying your profit for the year.

 

[Duckfarmerpa1]

I used to dehorn ....And have a new burner. But I love horns, they look good, they are natural, and make great goat catcher...just keep your face where it belongs and you won't get hurt ...if your cautious

I’m not great at that?!

 

[Duckfarmerpa1]

@farmerjan he can’t afford any losses. He only has 2-4 cows and leases land. He’s just bullheaded and sometimes makes no sense. We won’t vet for everything either I do my own shots etc. but, if something serious came up, it would be a hard call because the goats are my pets. No longer livestock just to me. I do suppose, I get too attached to many of my creatures. Hard not to when I care for them all day, everyday

 

[Duckfarmerpa1]

Understand that I am not one big on Gov't regulations and I don't do alot of the "most modern up to date " health stuff. We do use a killed virus vaccine on the cattle. I don't believe in the modified live virus vaccines. If you lose an animal or 2 and then find out it was something you could have prevented with a simple vaccination, then you start to get sensible about some things. We used to not give any vaccinations. Then lost 2 calves at about 250-300 lbs. Nice calves. Found out with a vet call that it was blackleg, caused by a clostridium that is prevalent in wet spring green grass growth. Calves will have passive immunity from the cows for about 6-10 weeks. It is a simple vaccination, killed virus, and given once a year. Many only give it for a year or 2 then they are supposed to be able to make their own immunity to it. Safe for pregnant animals.
Sorry, but we cannot afford to lose one animal to it when it is so easily prevented. We give it to all our cows when we run them through the chute once a year. The calves all get it before the cow/calf pairs go to spring pasture.
Another one is Lepto. Causes abortions. Carried by most all mammals. Found in streams from foxes, dogs, cattle, you name it. Again, a shot will help prevent it if you are not in an area where it is in high concentrations and then you go to 2 or even 3 times a year vaccination for it. Killed virus. Safe for pregnant animals.
These are 2 CHEAP vaccinations that can prevent you from coming out and finding a 300 lb dead calf that could be worth $500 or a cow losing a pregnancy that will put you back 6 months or a year and the lost income from that calf that doesn't get born. Costs are about $2.00 for each, once a year..... Like $5 per year for those 2 per animal. Sure beats burying a $500 animal for a $5 shot.
Because we buy and sell some cattle, we are inviting disasters with strange cattle in and out. You don't know what they have been exposed to. Think of buying in animals with exposure to who knows what like kids going to school and getting exposed to every other kid that has a cold...... or flu...... or measles..... or whatever.
Buying anything, like all the animals you got just recently, is exposing your animals to all kinds of possible problems.

So we are now using a killed virus vaccine, broad coverage, that will help to keep the problems down. Triangle 10 HB which will pretty much help to protect against most things they can get exposed to. Supposed to do 2 doses to get a good immune response, and sometimes we don't manage a 2nd dose exactly when they should get it. But their immune system is still mounting a response. Maybe not as much of a response as a modified live vaccine will, but there is no chance that anything else can possibly cause a problem for any other animal in the herd through exposure. You cannot use a mlv on a calf that will go back with it's mother if the mother has not been vaccinated with a mlv prior to becoming pregnant, because if she is pregnant as she can abort. Doesn't happen often, but it can and has. There you go with a lost pregnancy.

I am telling you this about the vaccines, mostly just so you get an idea of what can go wrong ; considering that your neighbor does not believe in vaccinations. I think that we, as people in general, overdo it with alot of things. In humans, I am totally against giving new babies all these vaccinations all together at such young ages. The mothers colostrum and subsequent milk will provide some immunity. We are overloading the babies brand new system with all this stuff and it cannot handle it. I am not against vaccinations..... I am against dumping a dozen things all at the same time when the body cannot mount a normal immune response to one thing because it is scrambling to try to deal with 10 things. But I am not against vaccinations in general. Where would we be without tetanus vaccines for people when they get an infection from a rusty nail or a dirty cut?
What about rabies vaccines?

I don't like alot of government interference. They are trying to control TOO MUCH of our day to day life. But there are too many people who just don't get the whole "taking responsibility for themselves" and want the gov't to be the responsible party. They are the ones that will turn around and sue you and you will lose everything because just like the lady that sued McDonalds for the HOT COFFEE...... she didn't know it was going to be that hot...... Give me a break.

This was eye opening info!! I’m going to have to see if there a a kind of lepto for goats?i know that goats don’t cost near the money as a cow, but to me they are priceless. I do believe in vaccines...with all of my health issues, I follow the rules. My son was born with an immune disorder that he luckily grew out of, whi, if you’ve read about him you see, he’s supper health to be running 50 mile ultra marathons and running his own compnay and being the strength and conditioning coach for Slippery Rock football, etc...and always gets a 4.0! Enough bragging. But without immunization, he wouldn’t have been able to go to school. I absolutely agree, when I buy a bottle of CDT for...$40? It’s well worth it be it will treat so many of my goats.

thanks for helping me learn...it means a lot!

 

[Duckfarmerpa1]

Okay about busty and her milk supply she a Nigerian correct. And everyone that i can recall talking to doesnt get a half gallon from one. I get that from a nubian doe and a gallon a day if i milk twice so i don't know about that. But that being said every goat produced different amounts. I had one that gave a half gallon a day being a nubian for along time then she eventually gave more. But just depends on the animal. I never had a Nigerian through so i could be wrong but i would find it had to get that much milk fro. Her in my book. Either way milk is yummy.

Busty is 1/2 ND 1/2 planer goat, otherwise known as the Batman goat...if you’ll google it you’ll see the trademark ears! I’m getting a half gallon a day, but, we quit, it’s not that she’s dry. We just don’t need tha5 much. I don’t think we’re going to risk selling it. Her bag is huge! I know we never milked he4 dry. But the kids are still nursing so, it’s tricky for us. When do I wean? I need to wean one tomorrow because I’m selling him Friday. I would like him to be on a bottle but a farme4 friend said he’d be fine without at his new home? Any tips for weaning?