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That was the first thing that I thought..... he said he believed in 2 things and listed 3.....
Coronavirus Covid-19 Is it Affecting You and How?
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Bunnylady
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Wow..... sitting at home because of Coronavirus, watching a documentary about Coronavirus. You do realize that is just messed up, right?
Y'know what they say - "know your enemy."
But watching this did help to clear up a couple of things for me. For example, you know how they keep saying that they can't be sure that catching Coronavirus will make you immune? Somehow, people seem to have the idea that once you get a disease, your immune system will forever after protect you from it. Apparently, that's not always the case - in several other members of the coronavirus family, catching them only creates immunity that lasts for a couple of years. So, even if you run into that identical virus a few years later, you could conceivably get it again. With this one, it's just too new to know how the body responds to it long-term.
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Y'know what they say - "know your enemy."
But watching this did help to clear up a couple of things for me. For example, you know how they keep saying that they can't be sure that catching Coronavirus will make you immune? Somehow, people seem to have the idea that once you get a disease, your immune system will forever after protect you from it. Apparently, that's not always the case - in several other members of the coronavirus family, catching them only creates immunity that lasts for a couple of years. So, even if you run into that identical virus a few years later, you could conceivably get it again. With this one, it's just too new to know how the body responds to it long-term.
You don't get a guaranteed lifetime immunity to tetanus either..... and I know people who have had german measles vacc that have gotten it again.... and the shingles vaccine is a form of "herpes virus" which also is related to chicken pox......and you get the flu vaccine and it might mutate for a few years, but then it comes back exactly like it was and they still get it again. For pete's sake, you are never going to get a 100% response for the rest of your life to anything..... a few years would be one HE// of an improvement over nothing.
One reason I would not take the shingles vaccine is that I know a couple people who have had it, yearly and have gotten shingles everytime. I have been exposed to the cow pox at different times..... some immunity created..... milkmaids back in the dark ages wound up having next to no symptoms from smallpox back then because of exposure to cow pox. Another variant is chicken pox..... these are all related. They say if you had chicken pox you are likely to get shingles..... yet I haven't seen any conclusive studies on that. I had the standard chicken pox, as a kid. I have been exposed to cows that have had the "cow pox" sores, I am not getting the shingles vaccine.
mystang89
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Haven't watched this thread in a while but kinda curious if anyone's opinion changed after not being allowed to celebrate Easter (for those who celebrate it) and the new "Do Not Resuscitate" order that some states have mandated along with the plethora of doctors, especially those from places like California who have come out saying that what the government is saying just isn't adding up to what they are seeing on the ground.
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What I've heard about Chicken Pox, is that it is a virus that never completely clears your system. Once it gets into your body, it sort of buries itself in nerve tissue. The rash, etc, goes away, but a little bit of the virus lies dormant within you. As long as your immune system is doing a good job, "dormant" is how it remains, but if something occurs that reduces your immune function, it can break out, and the result is shingles. Older people are notoriously immunologically challenged, which is why most associate shingles with the elderly, but I have heard of people in their 30's who had outbreaks after some severe stress. The shingles vaccine is intended to remind your body "this is the enemy, keep it hemmed in," but since the virus is living within you already (using "living" in a figurative sense), sometimes, it backfires (fairly frequently, apparently!).
(Incidentally, though the relatedness of cowpox and smallpox is, like, everywhere you look, I can't find anything that even suggests there is any relationship between cowpox and chickenpox -quite the opposite, in fact)
I'd always been told that you couldn't catch the same cold twice, maybe that's a folk tale. But exposure to some diseases (or the vaccines for them) usually do grant long-term resistance/immunity - Rubella (German Measles) being one. Frequent moves when I was a child resulted in my health records getting a bit confused, and we weren't sure whether I'd been immunized for German Measles, or maybe even had the disease. Since that virus can have serious consequences for the fetus if a pregnant woman gets it, by the time I was in my 30's and thinking about having kids, it became kind of important to know if I was at risk - so my doctor ran a titer test. No problem there; I had antibodies a-plenty. Whether I'd had the vaccine or the disease, my body remembered it well enough for me to be protected, 20+ years later.
In Pandemic, they were looking mostly at flu, and referenced H1N1 in particular. A comment is made that people over 50 tend to have some resistance to it, apparently through having been exposed to some (probably weaker) variant during their lifetimes, though people who are 40 years of age or less aren't so blessed. One of those odd situations where being older may actually make you less at risk with a serious illness.
My opinion hasn't changed, and it's pretty well summed up by an interaction I had with the produce manager at a grocery store near me. I've known this man for about a decade; I've no doubt he recognized me even in the mask I was wearing at the time. I wanted to get some mushrooms, and he was busy stocking the cooler the mushrooms are in. I stood back a respectful 6 feet or so, and patiently waited while he worked. When he realized why I was there, he stepped back several feet, and I moved in and picked a package of mushrooms. As I backed away, I commented, "it all feels a bit silly, doesn't it?" He shrugged and said, "that's the way the game is played." I said, "Yep. We play the game, and hope it actually makes a difference."
(Incidentally, though the relatedness of cowpox and smallpox is, like, everywhere you look, I can't find anything that even suggests there is any relationship between cowpox and chickenpox -quite the opposite, in fact)
I'd always been told that you couldn't catch the same cold twice, maybe that's a folk tale. But exposure to some diseases (or the vaccines for them) usually do grant long-term resistance/immunity - Rubella (German Measles) being one. Frequent moves when I was a child resulted in my health records getting a bit confused, and we weren't sure whether I'd been immunized for German Measles, or maybe even had the disease. Since that virus can have serious consequences for the fetus if a pregnant woman gets it, by the time I was in my 30's and thinking about having kids, it became kind of important to know if I was at risk - so my doctor ran a titer test. No problem there; I had antibodies a-plenty. Whether I'd had the vaccine or the disease, my body remembered it well enough for me to be protected, 20+ years later.
In Pandemic, they were looking mostly at flu, and referenced H1N1 in particular. A comment is made that people over 50 tend to have some resistance to it, apparently through having been exposed to some (probably weaker) variant during their lifetimes, though people who are 40 years of age or less aren't so blessed. One of those odd situations where being older may actually make you less at risk with a serious illness.
My opinion hasn't changed, and it's pretty well summed up by an interaction I had with the produce manager at a grocery store near me. I've known this man for about a decade; I've no doubt he recognized me even in the mask I was wearing at the time. I wanted to get some mushrooms, and he was busy stocking the cooler the mushrooms are in. I stood back a respectful 6 feet or so, and patiently waited while he worked. When he realized why I was there, he stepped back several feet, and I moved in and picked a package of mushrooms. As I backed away, I commented, "it all feels a bit silly, doesn't it?" He shrugged and said, "that's the way the game is played." I said, "Yep. We play the game, and hope it actually makes a difference."
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Baymule
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The news is finally admitting that there may be a meat shortage if the processing plants don’t open back up. What they are not saying is what @farmerjan posted about is animals with nowhere to go, being killed and buried. It will take even longer than the newscasts predictions to get the meat supply running smoothly again. I don’t think they realize or know the ugly side of this. The industrial farms can’t go from dead pigs, killed newborn litters, to finished pig ready for slaughter in a week.
B&B Happy goats
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@Bunnylady , I have to agree that you are spot on about chicken pox and shingles...I have been having bouts of shingles outbreaks since I was 19 (49 years), thankfully it stays contained to a small area on top of the nerves but when they happen it's pretty nasty for a few weeks.. A Dr. had suggested I get the shingles vaccine, went to the pharmacy and learned that not only was the cost ridiculous ($350) but it would most likely make my outbreaks worse......
I have since changed Drs., and I don't do vaccines other than tetanus, twice got the flu shot and within two weeks got the flu, lol
I have since changed Drs., and I don't do vaccines other than tetanus, twice got the flu shot and within two weeks got the flu, lol
rachels.haven
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Ugh, I hate shingles. My father had cancer and chemo...cue shingles at 50 something. And he can't be vaccinated due to the chemo, so he WILL get it again and again forever from what I understand and it is very painful. I hate shingles.
Bunnylady
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I saw a news story a few days ago about a chicken farmer that may have already been put out of business. He has a contract with a company that produces eggs; the eggs from his farm went to a plant that turned them into liquid eggs that were then sold to cafeterias and other places like that. With schools, etc, closed, the demand for that product has plummeted. Though the demand for eggs in the grocery stores is higher than ever, it's easier for the company to just shut down this whole production system rather than try to re-route the eggs into little Styrofoam cartons, so they sent a clean-out crew to his farm and killed all of the birds. Even if the company eventually reopens the plant, it will be many months before they could be sending him POL birds to put in his houses; time during which he will have to find some other source of income.
mystang89
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Guess I'm one of those backfires and probably one of the reasons I don't buy into the vaccines as much. I'm 36. According to my immunization records I've been given the chickenpox vaccine. Some years afterwards i contracted chicken pox. Now at 36 I occasionally have bouts of shingles. Kinda like @Bunnylady said, during particularly stressful periods of life and they are relegated to small local areas.
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