Dog Help ASAP!!!

[carolinagirl]

Exactly! Dogs need to be totally and 100% submissive to all members of the family. Little dogs often think THEY are the pack leader because they are so cute...they are allowed to do whaever they want. Little dogs can become really dangerous. My daughter started using CMs methods with her two dogs about a month ago. She has a female pit bull and a female long coated chihuahua. Now, both dogs walk quietly and peacefully on a leash, wait politly for her to give them their dinner and they obey her. They are both happier and more relaxed now because they are letting her be in charge. Although some of CMs methods may look a little harsh, they obviously work. He has saved many dogs that were headed for the gas chamber. Look at his pack. He has MANY large agressive dogs including former fighting dogs living together in harmony because they all realize that HE is the leader. It just amazes me.

 

[Okie Amazon]

Oh it's not that his methods are too harsh, it's that he gives people the impression that all this training is done in 15 minutes with no compulsion.

Another bone I have with CM is that not everyone has the "pack leader" demeanor. Some of his training methods tried on a hard, no-nonsense, aggressive dog by the un-prepared owner are going to land somebody with facial reconstruction surgery.

There is an intangible "something" that good trainers have that cannot be replicated. It can be taught to some people, but by and large, you either have it or you don't. Timing of corrections/rewards is critical and some people just don't ever get it!

 

[carolinagirl]

Oh it's not that his methods are too harsh, it's that he gives people the impression that all this training is done in 15 minutes with no compulsion.

Another bone I have with CM is that not everyone has the "pack leader" demeanor. Some of his training methods tried on a hard, no-nonsense, aggressive dog by the un-prepared owner are going to land somebody with facial reconstruction surgery.

There is an intangible "something" that good trainers have that cannot be replicated. It can be taught to some people, but by and large, you either have it or you don't. Timing of corrections/rewards is critical and some people just don't ever get it!

well, you are right about that. He makes it look like it is VERY easy and something that can be accomplished in a few minutes. Maybe it does work that fast for him, but the average person who does things exactly right is still going to have to work at it consistently in order to get results. One of the biggest problems people have with training any animal is being consistant. If a dog knows you are going to tell him 6 times to do something, why should he listen the first time?

 

[farmgirl68]

Thanks everyone!!!

The issue is with the male person in my home getting bit/nipped on the ankle and toes, for NO Reason.

He appears fine with my daughter and husband and me.

I get an occassional snarl or low growl, but I tell him no and he is fine.

 

[freemotion]

Okie Amazon, if you get a chance to watch a few episodes, you will see that your points are made clear. It is not in 15 minutes and then he leaves and it is done. He follows up. Some owners end up relinquishing their dog to him because they cannot be the leader that the dog needs. I've seen him trade a balanced dog from his pack with an aggressive, red zone, dangerous dog from a client. Then he takes the time to rehabilitate the dog and keeps it unless he can place it.

farmgirl68, your situation has been filmed many times on his show. Usually the person that the dog likes is doing something unconsciously that nurtures the bad behavior of the dog towards the other person in the household. And usually the person that the dog picks on is also encouraging the behavior in an unconscious way. Really, you need to watch a few episodes. Your library probably has them or can get them for you. If nothing else, they are fun to watch!

 

[elevan]

We had similar problems with my Basenji with certain people.

This is what we did:

When he starts to growl...the person he growls at needs to "pounce" and roll him over onto his back (this is forced submission). Then use their hand like a jaw (curled up like a claw) and "bite" the dog on the underside of the neck with the jawed hand (this represents another dog biting the neck to force submission). ETA: Be careful not to squeeze the windpipe...only to "dig" fingernails into the skin. The person should also growl.

I know it sounds strange but it really works.

But it must be the person who is being "victimized" by the dog who corrects him. He needs to know that that person is above him in the pack.

 

[farmgirl68]

Update:

Early this evening my daughter was eating at the dinningroom table and my husband was watching tv by his computer at the other end of the dinning area. The kitchen is attached to the dinning area.

The dog sat on my hubby's lap with no issues. He petted him and they watched tv together. Earlier he climbed into my daughter's lap, no issues. She pet him, he licked her etc.

Than I was making dinner and the male friend this dog has issues with entered the kitchen to help me cook. The dog snarled, but did not growl or bite. After the guy left where I was standing in the kitchen and went toward where my husband was sitting (near the table)....

The dog started growling and barking at the guy. i immediated grabbed his leash he was wearing and told him no.

The guy went in front of the dog in a stern force and told the dog, he was boss, not the dog.

The dog was still on the leash in my hand after the guy told the dog off, he retreated and laid down (I still had him on the leash).



My male friend thinks this dog is trouble and that the dog may cause serious injury to a person or animal.



My issue is: My disabled daughter is making great improvements since we got the dog.

I am stressed over this, I feel caught in the middle.

Do I keep the dog, continue training it and hope for the best, or do I give it back to the "Foster family" the dog came from, at the risk of my daughter being emotional hurt and her progress ending?

 

[carolinagirl]

Do as Elevan suggests and see if that works first. The dog needs to be firmly and strongly corrected, EVERY time it growls. It should never growl at you either. If it does, it means he does not respect you. How is he with his food bowl? Does he have any food aggression issues? This all need to be managed ASAP or the dog can be a danger to your daughter. The physical and emotional scars of being bitten in the face are going to be much worse than the emotional scars of losing this dog. Dogs like this are often fear biters too, biting if he is scared or cornered. Establish if this is a problem now too, but protect yourself with gloves. Even small dogs can do a lot of damage. I know your daughter has made progress with this dog but don't you think she would make progress with a different dog instead?

 

[freemotion]

The dog started growling and barking at the guy. i immediated grabbed his leash he was wearing and told him no.

The guy went in front of the dog in a stern force and told the dog, he was boss, not the dog.

The dog was still on the leash in my hand after the guy told the dog off, he retreated and laid down (I still had him on the leash).

Sounds like it was a correct response. The dog submitted. It needs to be reinforced over and over. You did not nurture the bad behavior, and the guy made the dog submit with his body language. So if you all do this EACH AND EVERY TIME the dog so much as give a dirty look, the dog will give up this behavior very quickly.

As long as it is done CALMLY the dog will become more balanced. It might be a good idea for this guy to walk the dog, if he can be calm and quiet about it, and calm about his corrections. It will establish his place in the pack to the dog. The dog must walk at his side, maybe slightly behind, never in front.

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

you might want to try a dog trainer to help you. these methods work BUT you as the owner have to totally be in control all of the time, every day, all day. it can be exhausting and if you dont have the temperament for it - or the time - the dog wont understand the inconsistency and might get worse.

or maybe that guy is just a bad egg and you should keep him - not the dog - away from your family. (just sayin' i dont know that guy at all but dogs have a way of figuring people out). but really the dog shouldnt act like that and you shouldnt allow it.

can you give your husband the task of disciplining the dog so you dont feel overwhelmed?

or get another dog? if that dog has been 'sent back" a couple times he might just be trouble.

SavingDogs are you out there???? any thoughts?? (she does rescue work and has a ton of experience)