Fellow 'old pros'...I've got a stumper....

[SDGsoap&dairy]

My dog had a recent back injury accompanied by a fairly high fever and all the symptoms that go with it (lethargy, suppressed appetite, etc.). The vet was actually concerned that he might have lyme because a fever is not usually associated with an injury but it apparently does happen. He said that typically it's just a mild fever when it occurs. He tested negative for lyme, thankfully, and the fever and soreness was resolved in 24 hours with a cortisone shot. Just thought I'd throw it out there because (in my limited experience) it had never occurred to me that a fever might be associated with an injury rather than illness or infection. Not a diagnosis of course, just FYI.

 

[helmstead]

I had a doe severely injure her neck a few weeks ago...she also appeared to be having contractions and was DEFINITELY open.

Kate: You witnessed the neck injury? Like...there's no doubt that it was, indeed, a neck injury (and not heat stroke or listeriosis or whatever..)?

Yep, while I didn't witness it, I heard her get slammed by another doe at feeding time (I was in another pen). She wound up with a dislocated and sprained neck. Ended her show career, most likely...

Roll...they don't always go blind. Symptoms will not always be exactly the same goat to goat. Basically the treatment for listeriosis should treat most everything else possible, too (provided you're doing the typical vet Rx treatment).

 

[Roll farms]

Went and got some fortified B complex (10x the thiamine as my B complex had...they didn't have straight thiamine, apparently...) and hit her w/ that....if she's acting a lot better tomorrow we'll know it was goat polio and I'll owe you one, CM.

She'd had about 60cc of reg. B vitamin in the last 24 hours but...it would have taken 125 cc every 3-6 hours to get the recommended treatment dose of thiamine from that.

She's still the same...it's been SO darn hot / humid here that I put a fan on her....she's bound to be sick of me poking her.

 

[Roll farms]

Last update for tonight....no change.
She just got her 7th Pen G shot and her 2nd fortified B shot (but the 6th B shot altogether).
Still 'convulsing', still can't stand.
I want her better....

 

[helmstead]

What about dex and banamine?

 

[Beekissed]

I'm not a goat pro but it sounds a little like hardware disease in cows. Any chance she could have swallowed anything of this nature?

Clinical signs: Standing preferred, arching and rigidity of back with a tense, tucked up abdomen;may grunt with each respiration; respirations will be shallow; mild fever; not eating; depression; signs of colic. Treatment: Difficult. Consult a veterinarian.

 

[jodief100]

What about dex and banamine?

My undersatnding of goat polio is that antibitotics can cause it. If that is the case I would think you wouldn't want to treat with any. I could be very, very wrong so perhaps more research is in order......

 

[Roll farms]

My undersatnding of goat polio is that antibitotics can cause it. If that is the case I would think you wouldn't want to treat with any. I could be very, very wrong so perhaps more research is in order......

First, Dex and Banamine aren't antibiotics....

Second...antibiotics aren't what "caused" her illness to begin with (she hadn't been on any).

I'm thinking she ate some 'bad' corn, we've been getting invaded by raccoons and my husband had thrown some corn stalks that the coons tore down into the pen she was in. I found some that looked like it was moldy.

Right now her illness mimics what could be either listeriosis or goat polio, and treatments are similar for both.

Morning update: no change. :/ Temp is 101.7.

Going to pick up some Dex but I'm not happy about it.

She's been exposed to a 'big money' buck for 14 days, if she's bred this will definitely end the pregnancy...but a dead goat can't kid, either.

I can't find the use of banamine recommended anywhere in any of the literature I've been reading as treatment and don't use it as a general rule (again, to each his own....but 'possible liver damage' scares me.)

The vet tried to talk me out of Dex but when I said "If she dies the kids are lost anyway" he reluctantly agreed to go along.

So...off to the vet for Dex...I'll keep you posted.

And Bee, thanks for the suggestion, but she hasn't stood in 2 days.

 

[jodief100]

First, Dex and Banamine aren't antibiotics....

Oops - you are are right. I forgot that Banamine is usualy given in CONJUNCTION WITH Tetracycline but is not in itself an antibiotic.

I should never try and think while I am still waking up .

Unfortunatly this is looking like one of those, throw everything at her and see what sticks kind of cases........ sigh

At least she is still on the "right" side of the grass. Just getting through the night has to be a victory!

 

[cmjust0]

What about dex and banamine?

That's what I'm thinking, too..

EDIT...just saw you're headed off for dex. Personally, I think that's more important than banamine, now that the fever's down. It's perhaps a quicker anti-inflammatory, but dex is kinda the gold standard for treating problems caused by inflammation.. That's according to my vet anyway. He indicated to me that it goes...NSAID to bring it down quick, then Dex to keep it down.

Dex will bring it down, though..

Unfortunately...it will also end the pregnancy, and I truly hate that....but, then again, fevers aren't good for pregnancies, either. If she's suffering from listeriosis, or even if she simply had a listeriosis-grade fever, the pregnancy may not have survived anyhow.

I know a bunch of mights and maybes don't make it any easier to poke her with something you KNOW will end it, though..