FF Goat - Asking Questions

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The fact that you are asking questions shows that you are not irresponsible. No one is implying that you are. We are all just trying to share information with you. We all started out as beginners. You are lucky to have this website and help from so many people. When I got our first goats and sheep, I had to learn everything from books, there was no internet, and 35 years ago there were not that many "how-to" books except Ag textbooks. Our first goat kids we delivered with my 11 year old daughter holding the book with a drawing of incorrect presentations of kids and trying to feel what was happening! :( The goat did it all luckily, while the children watched, and I pretended I knew what was happening! Both of our Nubian twin sister does had 4 kids each! :lol: Dotti should kid easily, since her previous owner had a large herd and probably pasture kidded. Kidding problems are relatively few. We only hear about the bad ones when someone needs help. You and Dotti will do just fine. If you need us, we are here for you.

Like MargaretClare said there are often reasons to run a buck with does all the time. If you are breeding for sales, then you want the does in constant production. With year round breeders like Boers, in order to get 3 kid crops in 2 years, you have to leave the buck with the does constantly in order for the does to breed back soon after kidding when they are most fertile. If you are breeding for fun, and want to keep your herd to a smaller size, then you need to keep the does and bucks separated except when you want to breed them.

Keeping 2 bucks is fine if you have a reason for each buck, just don't keep young doe kids with them. If Dotti has a buck and doe kid you will also want to separate or wether the buck kid by 2 months old. Since your younger buck is a particular color, and your husband wants to try to breed that color pattern, then keeping a second buck even for only a few does makes sense. Besides he will be company for Jeb once Jeb is separated from Dotti and Joli.

The pens you describe sound perfect, and you can let the bucks and does graze the woods in turns. I would keep Dotti and her babies away from the woods while they are small because of your coyote population. If you are going to be turning your goats out into the 7 wooded acres once they are fenced, you might want to consider getting a livestock guardian dog to protect them. Lots of information about LGDs on this site too.

I have only 5 ewes at the moment (losses and switching breeds) and only bred 4 of them this year. I have 2 rams because I plan to rotate them with my ewes. I only needed one mature replacement ram, but picked up the younger ram lamb as a bargain from a particular breeder with particular bloodlines at an online auction. Last lot, beautiful little boy, so win, win for me! But, instead of running my ram with the flock like I did when I only had 1 ram, now I need extra pens because I have to keep the doelings separate from the rams, the 2nd ram separate from the flock during breeding, and the 2 rams together while I run the ewe lambs with their mothers on pasture. :barnie Much more trouble for me and more pen building, but I have a reason for the 2nd ram. He was too young to be used this year, but next year he will be used on the 5 current ewes, and I will keep any ewelings produced by the older ram. I also plan to buy another 2 ewelings or yearling ewes next year. Then I will need more pens because in a couple years I will be breeding both rams to selected ewes. It gets more complicated, more expensive, and more fun, but unless you want to end up like a lot of us with lots of goats or sheep :rolleyes:, keep those bucks out of the doe pen until you are ready for more kids!

It's gonna be fun! Enjoy! Oh yes, and post pix of those darling babies! :weee
 

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Well ???????? got kids yet ? Since Last on I went up to 34 goats ,and down to 26. And Joe a big dirty white dog . That barks all night long. Package deal two nice young Boer bucks and the dog . He loves the two bucks and will not leave them. Tomorrow they get to be with some new nannies . Makes me sick because I have another young buck I paid twice as much for , and these two are much better. And now realize I didn't follow my own advice , I always advice anyone interested in a bred to attend a show before buying. For reasons like you said. They see uninformed people like they have three eyes :lol: Not to mention the fact that everybody thinks their stock is the greatest there is .:pop
 

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Thanks for checking in. No kids yet. I have the bucks separated and the first few days, they all hung out at the fence. It was heartbreaking. The next two nights I got to bring the bucks in to the goat house and put their aprons back on, freezing temps down in low 20's. The goat house has the heat, the bucks have big dog houses they are sleeping in now. I had a solar light hooked up to dog house but one of them ate the stupid cord. agh! Dotti's pen is to the left, she will go back in there when the bucks are in. I do not know what else to do.

Dotti has had just about every color of discharge over the last 10 days. Her pin bone area is mush and the damn ligs, I just dont know. Her hips bones are pretuding. Looking at her from behind, she still has saddlebags so I do not think she has dropped any. She does not miss a meal, still a little piggy. Her udder is not full and tight, has only about a pint or a little more of milk. But she is a FF and a drama queen. She is so uncomfortable. Everyday she is closer, just do not know when. No real labor signs yet. Alot of discharge, everytime I clean her up it comes back but not streaming. At this point, I have thought everyday would be the day the last 4 weeks. By now, I am starting to get exhausted.
 

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Thanks for checking in. No kids yet. I have the bucks separated and the first few days, they all hung out at the fence. It was heartbreaking. The next two nights I got to bring the bucks in to the goat house and put their aprons back on, freezing temps down in low 20's. The goat house has the heat, the bucks have big dog houses they are sleeping in now. I had a solar light hooked up to dog house but one of them ate the stupid cord. agh! Dotti's pen is to the left, she will go back in there when the bucks are in. I do not know what else to do.

Dotti has had just about every color of discharge over the last 10 days. Her pin bone area is mush and the damn ligs, I just dont know. Her hips bones are pretuding. Looking at her from behind, she still has saddlebags so I do not think she has dropped any. She does not miss a meal, still a little piggy. Her udder is not full and tight, has only about a pint or a little more of milk. But she is a FF and a drama queen. She is so uncomfortable. Everyday she is closer, just do not know when. No real labor signs yet. Alot of discharge, everytime I clean her up it comes back but not streaming. At this point, I have thought everyday would be the day the last 4 weeks. By now, I am starting to get exhausted.
The waiting can be the hardest part. Can't wait for an update with babies! She sounds pretty close. I had a doe early this year that I swear had and lost ligaments multiple times a day and went almost a week past her 150 days.
 

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The waiting can be the hardest part. Can't wait for an update with babies! She sounds pretty close. I had a doe early this year that I swear had and lost ligaments multiple times a day and went almost a week past her 150 days.

That is exactly where we are on the ligaments. They come and go and come and go. Only one comes back and mushy. The other is gone always. Sometimes it takes me a few minutes to find the mushy one. I am just gonna watch her udder or wait till I see the bubble.
 

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That is exactly where we are on the ligaments. They come and go and come and go. Only one comes back and mushy. The other is gone always. Sometimes it takes me a few minutes to find the mushy one. I am just gonna watch her udder or wait till I see the bubble.
Yeah, the bubble is a sure sign.

I'd say her udder isn't full size yet. The doe I mentioned didn't bag up until her kidding, but I have another doe who for days before her kidding I'm always questioning whether her udder could possibly get any bigger and it does.
 

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She does not look very big standing up, maybe because she is long bodied. When she lays down she is huge and her belly did look like an alien moving everywhere. Movement has slowed down and can ever slightly feel a foot or head move. She is having a hard time jumping up to her bench. Hers is about a 1 1/2 off the ground. Maybe she will go within next couple days.
 

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She does not look very big standing up, maybe because she is long bodied. When she lays down she is huge and her belly did look like an alien moving everywhere. Movement has slowed down and can ever slightly feel a foot or head move. She is having a hard time jumping up to her bench. Hers is about a 1 1/2 off the ground. Maybe she will go within next couple days.
Boers can hide babies pretty well in those long bodies. Sometimes when one of my does is close to starting labor and the babies are just getting into position I can see a head or hoof just poking out as a lump on the side of the belly. If I see it again this next kidding season I'm gonna video it because it's really weird to see. I'd gently push on it a little bit and the baby would wiggle back at me.
 

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ok, we have something new now. Not sure if I should post it. It looks like streaming Discharge, but it is not amber like i've read. All the other discharge has been a teaspoon to maybe two tablespoons. This is about 3 inches so far, maybe longer but it is yellow and the most I have seen in the last 10 days at once.
 
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