Final Necropsy Results on Fourth Dead Kid In. Nope. Nope. Nope :(

[Southern by choice]

http://www.backyardherds.com/threads/scours-in-buckling-this-is-a-bad-year.31426/page-3#post-394966

This is the dosage that the majority of our vets recommend for goats.

 

[Ridgetop]

Sky: You are wise to treat for this with full attack. By doing the minimum you can end up with a kid too sick to save. Since it is still dragging on, you would probably have lost this one too by now had you been conservative in your treatment. You made the right choice to act fast and hard. By the way, have you dosed his mother for coccidia since he is nursing? If he is nursing, I assume that you are not milking her for house milk so you wouldn't have a problem not using her milk. If she has mild coccy it may not be showing up but may be reinfecting him.

I use Safeguard fenbendazole wormer sold by Jeffers. It is a 10% suspension (100mg/ml) dewormer for beef and dairy cattle and goats. I buy the 1000ml bottle for worming my dogs. I also use it to treat giardia. When treating giardia, you increase the dosage 25% for 5 days. For control of worms, I dose for 3 days. This is an off label use and dose I got from the internet from a Beagle breeder in the south that has to worm every 30 days. It worked like a charm on the giardia my dog picked up at a show. I thought he had worms but the co-owner called to say that her dog (littermate) had picked up giardia from show and mine probably had it too. The vet charged her $150 for 5 doses of fenbendazole to treat it. I already had it in the fridge and it cleared up the water diahrea in 24 hours. I dosed for 5 days.

The dose for goats is 0.6 ml per 25 lbs according to the packaging. This is a dose for worming so I think you would have to increase it for giardia. I never wormed my goats so never used this on goats. I have wormed sheep with a different medication.

If you need another type of treatment instead of Corid, Jeffers will overnight meds. By now coccidia should have responded to the Corid. I would try to do a fecal check to be sure what you should be treating for. If this was a bottle baby, I would have cut his milk with water to try to decrease the protein level in his gut while I gave him probiotics, electrolytes and and kaopectate. How long is the course of Corid supposed to take for getting rid of coccy? If he is still scouring after a full treatment it may not be coccy.

If it is giardia, you need to increase the fenbendazole since you need a higher dose for a longer period of time to kill giardia. Giardia is more prevalent after heavy rains. I would increase the scour chek or kaopec to 3 x a day and maybe the probios too. You can add Gatorade to the water bucket. (I knew people who would put powdered Gatorade mix into the water buckets at shows to counteract stress. The off brand is cheaper.)

If he still has scours this weekend, I would pull the Corid, and continue with the Scour chek/kaopec, probios and electrolytes. If the Corid doesn't work after a week, I would switch to another type or just try to control it with kaopectate. Also consider treating for e.coli instead if the scour has a particularly nasty odor.

Good luck on this - scours are often baffling and hard to deal with.

 

[Southern by choice]

When treating giardia, you increase the dosage 25% for 5 days. For control of worms, I dose for 3 days. This is an off label use and dose I got from the internet from a Beagle breeder in the south that has to worm every 30 days. It worked like a charm on the giardia my dog picked up at a show. I thought he had worms but the co-owner called to say that her dog (littermate) had picked up giardia from show and mine probably had it too. The vet charged her $150 for 5 doses of fenbendazole to treat it

Just so there is no confusion to Sky- fenben dosages in dogs and in puppies is different than in goats.

 

[Ridgetop]

Absolutely. I use this "off label" for the dogs.

The dosage on the bottle (which is a dewormer for cattle and goats) says .6 ml per 25 lbs which is what Sky is giving. I am not sure what the giardia dosage would be for goats but I am assuming it would be higher and for a longer period of time. Giardia attack the intestinal wall, where worms are usually present in the stomach.

 

[babsbag]

Mine responded to 2-3 cc. of Safeguard for a 30lb goat after 4 days when nothing else worked. My gut tells me he had Giardia. This was the liquid goat wormer, not the paste.

The triplets from earlier in the year had different scours, theirs were yellow and mucousy, didn't really smell. And other herd mates were getting it too. They were eating ok, but very depressed. I actually lost their dam when they were three weeks old; I do not know what she died from. She went off feed and was dead 1 day later. Those kids all responded to Scour Check, so a bacterial infection of some kind.

 

[promiseacres]

Hope things settle soon

 

[SkyWarrior]

http://www.backyardherds.com/threads/scours-in-buckling-this-is-a-bad-year.31426/page-3#post-394966

This is the dosage that the majority of our vets recommend for goats.

I need a facepalm icon.

 

[SkyWarrior]

Sky: You are wise to treat for this with full attack. By doing the minimum you can end up with a kid too sick to save. Since it is still dragging on, you would probably have lost this one too by now had you been conservative in your treatment. You made the right choice to act fast and hard. By the way, have you dosed his mother for coccidia since he is nursing? If he is nursing, I assume that you are not milking her for house milk so you wouldn't have a problem not using her milk. If she has mild coccy it may not be showing up but may be reinfecting him.

I use Safeguard fenbendazole wormer sold by Jeffers. It is a 10% suspension (100mg/ml) dewormer for beef and dairy cattle and goats. I buy the 1000ml bottle for worming my dogs. I also use it to treat giardia. When treating giardia, you increase the dosage 25% for 5 days. For control of worms, I dose for 3 days. This is an off label use and dose I got from the internet from a Beagle breeder in the south that has to worm every 30 days. It worked like a charm on the giardia my dog picked up at a show. I thought he had worms but the co-owner called to say that her dog (littermate) had picked up giardia from show and mine probably had it too. The vet charged her $150 for 5 doses of fenbendazole to treat it. I already had it in the fridge and it cleared up the water diahrea in 24 hours. I dosed for 5 days.

The dose for goats is 0.6 ml per 25 lbs according to the packaging. This is a dose for worming so I think you would have to increase it for giardia. I never wormed my goats so never used this on goats. I have wormed sheep with a different medication.

If you need another type of treatment instead of Corid, Jeffers will overnight meds. By now coccidia should have responded to the Corid. I would try to do a fecal check to be sure what you should be treating for. If this was a bottle baby, I would have cut his milk with water to try to decrease the protein level in his gut while I gave him probiotics, electrolytes and and kaopectate. How long is the course of Corid supposed to take for getting rid of coccy? If he is still scouring after a full treatment it may not be coccy.

If it is giardia, you need to increase the fenbendazole since you need a higher dose for a longer period of time to kill giardia. Giardia is more prevalent after heavy rains. I would increase the scour chek or kaopec to 3 x a day and maybe the probios too. You can add Gatorade to the water bucket. (I knew people who would put powdered Gatorade mix into the water buckets at shows to counteract stress. The off brand is cheaper.)

If he still has scours this weekend, I would pull the Corid, and continue with the Scour chek/kaopec, probios and electrolytes. If the Corid doesn't work after a week, I would switch to another type or just try to control it with kaopectate. Also consider treating for e.coli instead if the scour has a particularly nasty odor.

Good luck on this - scours are often baffling and hard to deal with.

Thanks @Ridgetop -- here are my answers to your questions.

I have not dosed his mom. His brother does not have any issues, so I'm thinking she's probably safe?

The Fenbendazole I'm using is Safeguard for goats. At this stage, I'm upping the dosage to 9 -10 ml and hope it whacks whatever it is. I have Sulmet coming from Jeffers. The Corid is off-brand usage although the recommendation is 5 days. He'll probably get it through the weekend. After that, I will discontinue and hopefully the Sulmet will arrive.

He'll be on pepto bismol if I can't get a handle on it. The good news is that he's active and doing everything a little goat is supposed to do, just has poop down his butt. None of the other goats have this, so he's the one with the most issues now. I suspect I need to split up the Scour-chek and still try to get him to drink electrolytes. Yeah, he complains about this.

Basically, he's not fading, but this is the longest I've seen a goat go with scours and not have serious problems. Probably everything else I've been doing has kept the little guy alive.

 

[Southern by choice]

@15 lbs that would be 1.5 ml fenben

 

[GLENMAR]

I just treated one and included 1/2 cup pain yogurt with pedialyte. About 60 ml in a syringe. x3.
And 12 ml 2x a day kayopectate.