Goat Whisperer's & SBC's kidding thread: kidding storm

[Devonviolet]

Y'all might think I'm a bit dense, but all this talk about genetics is makin my head spin. My nursing studies only barely touched on genetics, and I am not finding a lot online about goat breeding and genetics. Can you direct me to resources where I can educate myself?

 

[Southern by choice]

Are you trying to understand what minis are or genetics... two different things.

 

[Devonviolet]

Are you trying to understand what minis are or genetics... two different things.

I think I understand the basics, but I wish to understand the intricacies of f-1, f-2, f-3 as well as 50/50 and 40/60 etc. I have also heard about "Line Breeding" and would like to know the pluses and minuses of doing that and how often a breeder needs to change bucks and record keeping to keep track of it all. It all sounds rather complex to me.

 

[Southern by choice]

LOL I'll just call ya! You know I don't type!

Funny I was thinking about you 2 days ago... everything ok?

 

[sadieml]

I think I've pretty much got a handle on the F-1, F-2, F-3, and 50/50 stuff, but how do you get 60/40? Must be some breeding back to the pure-bred at, what, 2nd gen and then back to a 50/50? I'm sort of with @Devonviolet on that part. It makes my head hurt. I've been out of school for a loooonnnggg time.

 

[Southern by choice]

Green Gables is probably the most well known Mini- Nubian breeders in the country.
Glimmercroft is probably the most well known Mini- Mancha breeder

This is a great site to understanding how things work.... on this page there is another link to understanding percentages
http://www.greengablesmininubians.com/MiniNubian FAQ.htm


The mini nubians are generally larger than Mini manchas...

They have a great program... but I like doing 50/50's ... everytime you go up to that 75/25 your animals get bigger ... maximum for breed standard is 70/30... IMO that is getting out of the mini range.
If I can do a 50/50 and get 6-8 # by 2nd freshening than I think that is darn good. Small goat , big milk!

 

[Mini Horses]

The registered full blood Nubian doe (brown girl, huge udder) was bred to a mini-Nubian reg buck (Green Gables buck). So her kids can only be registered as minis. The twin does are out of a grade Saanen doe and the same reg mini-Nubian buck is their father. They are slightly smaller than the doe but, also not as old. They will be grade does only. Sorry, for miss stated F-1.

I don't have any nigies. The PB Nubian doe kids can be registered in a mini registry but, I see no reason for that, unless a buyer wanted them to be....they will also be wethered. Just wanted doe freshened. They will be full sized, no mini there.

The white doe with twin bucks is registered mini-nub, 3rd gen, and the buck sire is registered mini-nub, 4gen, so the kids laying in front of her are 4gen bucks. They will likely be wethered, simply for own convenience. The trips, not pictured, are out of a registered mini-nub doe, 4 gen, same Green Gables buck (4 gen) so those kids will be 5gen mini-nubs when registered. Too many bucks.

 

[Southern by choice]

The white doe with twin bucks is registered mini-nub, 3rd gen, and the buck sire is registered mini-nub, 4gen, so the kids laying in front of her are 4gen bucks. They will likely be wethered, simply for own convenience. The trips, not pictured, are out of a registered mini-nub doe, 4 gen, same Green Gables buck (4 gen) so those kids will be 5gen mini-nubs when registered.

What %'s are they? They look huge... 75%/25% ? But Nubians are bigger goats than LM's.
What registry do you use?

 

[BlessedWithGoats]

@Southern by choice, Speaking of Nubians, I love your Ruby the Nubian!



How does their milk taste, in comparison to other breeds?

 

[Southern by choice]

@Southern by choice, Speaking of Nubians, I love your Ruby the Nubian!



How does their milk taste, in comparison to other breeds?

Ruby's milk is great.
Best milk on the farm comes from Millie ( Lamancha) and Trouble (Millie's daughter but a mini) it is very sweet. & Katie! Katie is an oversized unregistered dwarf.. best creamiest milk... I reserve her milk for my coffee.

We will have some FF this year so some does I haven't had their milk yet. I will say if I ever end up with milk that goat can be someone's pet. NOT my milkgoat.