Great Pyrenees... **UPDATE W/PUPPY PICS on pg 8**

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I have a 4 year old Male Pyrenees. He has had the same problem since he was 8 weeks old. This is common in large breed dogs. Its called Ectropian. My vet said he may need surgery. But it only bothers him once in awhile. It comes and goes.

Here is some info on it that may help you:



is when the eyelids are droopy and roll outwards. The droopy eyelid may collect debris such as dust, pollen and plant material from the environment. This may cause irritation to the eye which leads to discharge and a red eye. Dogs that have ectropion must be watched carefully by their owners for possible foreign bodies in their eyes, and the dogs' eyes must be cleaned and often medicated on a regular basis.

The opposite of ectropian is entropion which is when the eyelids roll inwards. If the eyelid is rolled inward sufficiently so that the hairs of the eyelid rub on the eye, much damage may be done to the eye. Dogs with entropion usually squint and have watery eyes. If the entropion is not corrected and the rubbing continues, ulcers often develop on the cornea and the cornea becomes pigmented. Vision may be lost. Dogs that have had surgery to correct entropion can not be shown.

Although entropion and ectropion are hereditary disorders, their mode of inheritance is complex. No single gene controls the development of eyelid conformation. Instead, it is a combination of genes that control eyelid size and shape, depth of the eye socket, size and shape of the eyes, head conformation and amount of facial skin. All of these genes work in concert to determine the relationship of the eyelids to the eye. Therefore if an eyelid conformation defect is to be eliminated, only those dogs without entropion or ectropion should be bred. This is particularly important if breeders are to maintain the correct close-fitting eyelids required by the breed standard for the Pyrenean Mountain Dog. Not too loose, but also not too tight.
 

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^^^Thank you for that information! my older Pyr gets this sometimes and I always kinda wondered what it was.
 

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Has she stopped hiding? That is what I was really worried about. Does she seem to be feeling better, not her eyes, how she is acting. PLEASE let me know.
 

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The correction itself is a mild easy surgery. It's pretty affordable on small dogs, lol, but the anesthesia on these big dogs can be costly. IF you have a pup with this problem, I'd recommend doing the surgery as soon as you could. It's soooo much better than dealing with ulcers.


Susyr22 said:
I have a 4 year old Male Pyrenees. He has had the same problem since he was 8 weeks old. This is common in large breed dogs. Its called Ectropian. My vet said he may need surgery. But it only bothers him once in awhile. It comes and goes.

Here is some info on it that may help you:



is when the eyelids are droopy and roll outwards. The droopy eyelid may collect debris such as dust, pollen and plant material from the environment. This may cause irritation to the eye which leads to discharge and a red eye. Dogs that have ectropion must be watched carefully by their owners for possible foreign bodies in their eyes, and the dogs' eyes must be cleaned and often medicated on a regular basis.

The opposite of ectropian is entropion which is when the eyelids roll inwards. If the eyelid is rolled inward sufficiently so that the hairs of the eyelid rub on the eye, much damage may be done to the eye. Dogs with entropion usually squint and have watery eyes. If the entropion is not corrected and the rubbing continues, ulcers often develop on the cornea and the cornea becomes pigmented. Vision may be lost. Dogs that have had surgery to correct entropion can not be shown.

Although entropion and ectropion are hereditary disorders, their mode of inheritance is complex. No single gene controls the development of eyelid conformation. Instead, it is a combination of genes that control eyelid size and shape, depth of the eye socket, size and shape of the eyes, head conformation and amount of facial skin. All of these genes work in concert to determine the relationship of the eyelids to the eye. Therefore if an eyelid conformation defect is to be eliminated, only those dogs without entropion or ectropion should be bred. This is particularly important if breeders are to maintain the correct close-fitting eyelids required by the breed standard for the Pyrenean Mountain Dog. Not too loose, but also not too tight.
 

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fortheloveofgoats said:
Has she stopped hiding? That is what I was really worried about. Does she seem to be feeling better, not her eyes, how she is acting. PLEASE let me know.
Oh I didn't even think to mention that, haha. She seems to be doing better. I haven't seen any more mating attempts so that's good. They actually all got out of there fence just a little bit ago. She REALLY loved that, lol. Someone evidently didn't pay attention to what they were doing when they were last up there, the outer gate was wide open and the inner gate that goes to the goat fence wasn't closed properly and they squeezed through.

Anyways, overall she looks to be feeling better. Seeing how happy she was while she was "free", I'm gonna see what DH can do about the other fence so they'll have that extra space.
 

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Susyr22 said:
I have a 4 year old Male Pyrenees. He has had the same problem since he was 8 weeks old. This is common in large breed dogs. Its called Ectropian. My vet said he may need surgery. But it only bothers him once in awhile. It comes and goes.

Here is some info on it that may help you:



is when the eyelids are droopy and roll outwards. The droopy eyelid may collect debris such as dust, pollen and plant material from the environment. This may cause irritation to the eye which leads to discharge and a red eye. Dogs that have ectropion must be watched carefully by their owners for possible foreign bodies in their eyes, and the dogs' eyes must be cleaned and often medicated on a regular basis.

The opposite of ectropian is entropion which is when the eyelids roll inwards. If the eyelid is rolled inward sufficiently so that the hairs of the eyelid rub on the eye, much damage may be done to the eye. Dogs with entropion usually squint and have watery eyes. If the entropion is not corrected and the rubbing continues, ulcers often develop on the cornea and the cornea becomes pigmented. Vision may be lost. Dogs that have had surgery to correct entropion can not be shown.

Although entropion and ectropion are hereditary disorders, their mode of inheritance is complex. No single gene controls the development of eyelid conformation. Instead, it is a combination of genes that control eyelid size and shape, depth of the eye socket, size and shape of the eyes, head conformation and amount of facial skin. All of these genes work in concert to determine the relationship of the eyelids to the eye. Therefore if an eyelid conformation defect is to be eliminated, only those dogs without entropion or ectropion should be bred. This is particularly important if breeders are to maintain the correct close-fitting eyelids required by the breed standard for the Pyrenean Mountain Dog. Not too loose, but also not too tight.
Thank you for this information. It was nice to see something a little more informative than some of the other responses, not that I didn't appreciate those too, hehe. I'll be looking into this and check out eye drops for her. Our male doesn't seem to have a problem with it, thank goodness.
 

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fortheloveofgoats said:
Has she stopped hiding? That is what I was really worried about. Does she seem to be feeling better, not her eyes, how she is acting. PLEASE let me know.
Ditto! Curious to know if she is continuing this or has this been resolved and what you did?
 

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craftymama86 said:
fortheloveofgoats said:
Has she stopped hiding? That is what I was really worried about. Does she seem to be feeling better, not her eyes, how she is acting. PLEASE let me know.
Oh I didn't even think to mention that, haha. She seems to be doing better. I haven't seen any more mating attempts so that's good. They actually all got out of there fence just a little bit ago. She REALLY loved that, lol. Someone evidently didn't pay attention to what they were doing when they were last up there, the outer gate was wide open and the inner gate that goes to the goat fence wasn't closed properly and they squeezed through.

Anyways, overall she looks to be feeling better. Seeing how happy she was while she was "free", I'm gonna see what DH can do about the other fence so they'll have that extra space.
 

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Well, Snow seems to be happy again.... And I think there may be puppies in our future. :D Our male, Zane, "attempted" twice, lol.
 

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Well, she's back to isolating herself again. She is happy to see me when I go out there but for the most part stays inside the shelter. Zane will go in and sit with her sometimes. DH told me today that whenever our young buck tries to mate with her Zane has started growling at him and makes him back off. I'm thinking she may be pregnant this time. Zane has mated with her several times and now the new attitude. :hu
 
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