Hard Lump not in CL type place-should I be concerned

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Alright, so I found found references to "salivary mucocele" in the Merck Vet Manual. Apparently, it's a thing.

Incidentally, it's a thing more commonly seen in dogs than anything else. I'm assuming it can happen in anything that makes saliva, but....well..

I'm interested to hear if the salivary impaction was hard, or mushy when this happened on your watch.. Was her whole cheek swelling, or was it a little hard round ball popping up on her cheek?
 

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cmjust0 said:
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But are bit cheeks or swollen salivary glands hard, cause this is hard. It hasn't grown or gone down, but I've only had her since Thursday. And she definitely doesn't like it messed with!
Bitten cheeks are. Feels like she's holding a little golf ball in there, right? Or a big marble..
Yes! Golf Ball sized exactly!

Oh, this makes me feel better. How do CL lumps feel in comparison?
 

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bbredmom said:
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But are bit cheeks or swollen salivary glands hard, cause this is hard. It hasn't grown or gone down, but I've only had her since Thursday. And she definitely doesn't like it messed with!
Bitten cheeks are. Feels like she's holding a little golf ball in there, right? Or a big marble..
Yes! Golf Ball sized exactly!
Dollars to doughnuts says it's a cheek bite. :)

Oh, this makes me feel better. How do CL lumps feel in comparison?
Wouldn't know.. Thankfully, I've never felt one..

I've seen them many times on other folks' places, though.. Having luckily never had to deal with CL at my place, I've always been inclined to back away slowly and calmly, speaking in soft, soothing tones so as not to disturb or anger the CL lump, lest it rupture on me out of spite.

:lol:
 

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As I mentioned though the first owner had her vet actually drain it and it was determined to be a salivary gland issue with her.

Here is some further information.

Salivary Cysts are painless swellings on the side of the face that are filled with saliva. Do not lance a salivary cyst, because the salivary system provides vital bicarbonates needed in digestion, and to do so can result in life-threatening rumenal acidosis. Instead, use a sterile needle to aspirate (draw out) the odorless, colorless watery or slightly blood-tinged fluid from the cyst.


Remember I was told all this by her prev owner and then my vet confirmed it so I don't have a huge amount of 'discovery' type information just 'Here's what to do when it happens". Hers had apparently gone on long enough the first time that when it was aspirated and cultures it was actually infected. They think that infection damaged the tissue enough that she's just now prone to them.

I don't know what caused it to become infected the first time because she gave me a brief "this is what happened, it might happen again". All I know is something got in there, caused the infection, the glad was damaged and it happens periodically now. <shrug>

It does look a lot like the picture but it's hard to tell the exact placement on the face since the head is tilted a bit.
 

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cmjust0 said:
I've seen them many times on other folks' places, though.. Having luckily never had to deal with CL at my place, I've always been inclined to back away slowly and calmly, speaking in soft, soothing tones so as not to disturb or anger the CL lump, lest it rupture on me out of spite.

:lol:
:lol: :yuckyuck
 

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We noticed last night the lump has decreased in size by quite a bit. So yay!

Thanks for help!
 

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Ok, I apparently lied. The lump hasn't gotten any smaller, and now the hair is falling out in the center.

Crap.

The seller straight up lied. I asked her if it was CL, and she said "Oh no, I had the vet come out and look at it. He said it was a cyst."

Grrrr.

So I'm going to try the formalin. Any idea where I could buy that locally, or do I need to get it off amazon?
 

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You're trying the formalin...why?

It may cause the abscess to 'die' and dry up and not infect anyone this time, but the goat could still get internal abscesses that will rupture and spread infection when she coughs.

She could get one on a hind leg that you don't see / notice and it could rupture and spread the infection.

And, trust me I've popped enough to know...when they go bald, they are RIPE and ready to blow. You go sticking a needle in that thing to inject formalin, and it's liable to spew. Literally.

Injecting formalin in an animal that *may* some day end up being used for meat is technically illegal.
It will NOT 'cure' the goat, just help dry up the one lump, and then only if injected before it's ripe.
I'm against the 'formalin treatment' for CL.....read up on it, rejected it as putting a bandaid on an amputation....too little, too late....and not entirely legal.

http://www.goatworld.com/articles/cl/formalin.shtml
 

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Does hair shedding from the abscess always indicate CL? Not knowing for sure what I was dealing with would drive me nuts. I'd have it cultured and keep her in quarantine until the results were back. "Goat Medicine" suggests that a lump in that area is often a tooth root abscess, but I'm a newbie so I'm certainly not making a diagnosis, just throwing it out there.
 

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this is a tough one and probably more so on you than the goat.. it is in the area that it could be tooth related or this peculiar salivary gland issue.. most abscesses are hard..until they are ready to pop.. does this one move around or does it seem rooted (not able to freely move abscess around) and I am not aware of any abscess that the hair would not fall out.. I had a goat get stung with I have no idea what it was.. after the abscess popped I was able to pull out the stinger and man alive I would have freaked out if I saw the bug it was attached too cause the stinger was lethal looking! amazingly the abscess puffed up around it and vet said let it go on its own and then I kept it cleaned and treated and it scabbed and healed in no time. the other issue with this goat is that cl can be found in the jaw line too.. head and neck area are prime areas.. for future goat purchases don't bring anything home with visible lumps, bumps, bald patches etc! else you could be lied to by the previous owner and you fret for sake of exposing your property and goats. Did this owner provide you with vet that supposedly looked at this goat.. I would call this vet and grill them! good luck!
 
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