Help! Vet's Out til Mon - What am I dealing with?!? (VET UPDATE pg8)

[elevan]

Yes you can find Hydrangea, Uva Ursi and Butcher's broom at the HFS. They come in capsules. I would imagine the best way would be to make a tea out of them and drench him if you have a drench gun, if not try to get him to swallow the capsules.


Emmett's, why do you say that ACV is ineffective for UC? I'm not flaming, just wondering. I have used it very successfully for similar issues in dogs and humans. The key is using ENOUGH. A TBS or so in a bucket of water will not be enough, they need a T or so a day directly in their feed.

I added a cup to a gallon of drinking water (ACV)...do you think that was enough?
In addition I gave him a 4cc drench with 1 part vinegar

I did'nt mean to sound like you were'nt not reacting...sorry if I sounded that way...I was just trying to stress how serious and painful it is to him.

I am sorry you are going thru this with him. hugs I lost my buck young with this. So I did alot of research on it. Be careful with what you give him right now...baking sodas, salts etc...you dont want to add to the problem.

Not a problem. I just wanted to make clear that I understand the seriousness. If my vet were available (even as emergency call) I would have Snickers there in a heartbeat.

That little guy is very dear to me. I'm partial to the boys - don't know why All of my boys have such sweet personalities, but Snickers is so loving.

The salt I just added out free choice.

I'm sorry about what you went through with your buck and I hope that I can create a different outcome for mine.

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

Apple cider vinegar does not work to prevent or treat urinary calculi.

The "acidifying agent" of vinegar is acetic acid. The bacteria in a goat's rumen make tons of acetic acid as a part of digestive process. What you are feeding them is literally a drop in the bucket compared to what they naturally make themselves.

The only thing vinegar will do is assist them in drinking more water. It will not break up stones and or prevent them. It is just not strong enough to make any differance to the PH in the urine.

A big point I wanna make is that goats are ruminants...so what works for dogs, cats, people does not always work on goats. And can be harmful for them at times. Their digestive system and metabolism is completely differant that other animals. Its important to keep that in mind when treating goats.

Basically the PH in the goats urine is off...for whatever reason...stones have formed and you need to dislodge any stones that may be blocking the urine flow and work hard on getting that PH level down.

Also Crown...you are just asking a question!! And thats cool!! So dont worry at all!! No offense taken at all!!

 

[helmstead]

DO NOT ATTEMPT A PIZZLE TRIM YOURSELF.

The pizzle is rarely where the blockage is, anyway...typically it's farther up in the "S" curve within the body. That's just inflicting pain unnecessarily.

 

[AlaskanShepherdess]

Elevan- I really don't know for a goat that already has a problem. Sorry. :/

Emmett- That is definitely something I need to research!

 

[elevan]

I am so confused!!

This thread is tugging a couple different ways...

What I'm reading in online searches is tugging many different ways...

I just want to do what I can to make sure he has a good chance come Monday when the vet is available.

I hate how many times I'm seeing "this is a death sentence" or "the buck killer"!!!!! Daggone it!! I just wanna bring him into the house and cuddle in bed with him and cry!!!

Has anyone saved their buck / wether from UC??

 

[ksalvagno]

http://www.backyardherds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1539

Read through this thread.

 

[ksalvagno]

Has anyone saved their buck / wether from UC??

Yes, cmjust0 has. See above thread that I posted.

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

DO NOT ATTEMPT A PIZZLE TRIM YOURSELF.

The pizzle is rarely where the blockage is, anyway...typically it's farther up in the "S" curve within the body. That's just inflicting pain unnecessarily.

Respectfully. I disagree...yes its not pleasant and its a very small piece of skin...but it is a place that smaller stones often catch. That is exactly what 2 differant large animals vets on staff here instructed us to do with bucks if this happens.

It will not do anything to the breeding functions whatsoever.

Pizzel rot is common with UC as well...so in the very least..inspect it...if its darkened at all...remove it.

If it is farther up most likely he will have to be euthenized. Cuz the surgical options are not feasable. And it is very hard to catherize a male goat. You can only go so far.

But its common practice to remove pizzels....and Im not saying this as mamby pamby idea. This is the hands on instructions my vets gave me...who I trust. And actually had me do it myself when I had to put down my buck. His was very deep and impossible to deal with.

Its not as painful as it seems...once you see what the size of the pizzel is..you wont freak out...its like snippin a hang nail. Its really not that traumatic in comparison.

 

[ksalvagno]

If you have Banamine, I would get a shot of Banamine into him.

You could always try OSU. You have to pay up front though.

 

[Emmetts Dairy]

If you have Banamine, I would get a shot of Banamine into him.

You could always try OSU. You have to pay up front though.

I agree...that may help with any discomfort he is having. I am very sorry you are getting confused. I dont mean to confuse you at all...and I doooo understand how upset you are right now.

But if you are a hands on type of gal...I would recomend in the least..inspect that pizzel and make sure nothing is blocked. If you are uncomfortable cutting it..then dont. But if it was something simple like a blockage in the pizzel..I would hate to see you wait til monday when its something you could of done right away for him. It may not cure him cuz it very well could be a blockage elsewhere. But its a shot...its a place you wanna start.

I really am trying to give you information that I was given and did myself with instructions of my vets to try to help this poor little guy. The vet basically said...Becky if your gonna own bucks..you need to learn how to do this.

Again...Im really sorry...and by no means am I trying to upset you during this.