Herdsire Qualifications - DNA testing

[OneFineAcre]

In a Nigerian Buck we pay very close attention to that front end. Way too many may be square on their feet but you need to know what else to look for .

Sorry I haven't had time to read through these posts entirely and I just caught this
What you said is true there is more to look at than being square on their feet
But if the feet aren't square the front end can't be good it's not possible
And when looking at a kid if they aren't square when they are young its just going to get rougher when they get older.


That's why most judges line them up side by side and watches each individually walk towards them
If a judge doesn't do that they aren't a very good judge

 

[OneFineAcre]

I don't even need to show you a pic of a goat to show what I'm talking about
Stand up and put your arms out straight in front of you
Now move your hands together in front of you
Feel how it tightens your shoulders
Now imagine being on all 4ers and walking like that and how much the shoulders move
That's what it's like when a goat stands with their feet together as opposed to square underneath them

 

[Southern by choice]

Sorry I haven't had time to read through these posts entirely and I just caught this
What you said is true there is more to look at than being square on their feet
But if the feet aren't square the front end can't be good it's not possible
And when looking at a kid if they aren't square when they are young its just going to get rougher when they get older.


That's why most judges line them up side by side and watches each individually walk towards them
If a judge doesn't do that they aren't a very good judge

Exactly

I don't even need to show you a pic of a goat to show what I'm talking about
Stand up and put your arms out straight in front of you
Now move your hands together in front of you
Feel how it tightens your shoulders
Now imagine being on all 4ers and walking like that and how much the shoulders move
That's what it's like when a goat stands with their feet together as opposed to square underneath them

Yes, BUT you can have a goat set exactly square and yet still have an issue - I can't post pics of goats that aren't my animals but lots of Nigerians have the issue in the front- it is where the point of elbow is and the point of shoulder... more at the point of elbow yet it isn't exactly what one would call out at elbows.

 

[OneFineAcre]

Lots of goats have issues
None has ever gotten 100 eeee
But if them feet are together them elbows are sticking out

 

[OneFineAcre]

Have you ever noticed that when people are selling a goat and the post udder pics very few post a pic of the udder milked out ?
If a doe goes GC when she goes back out for best in show the judge wants to see the udder milked out but very few post pics of their doe milked out?
Actually its as important than a full udder so it seems odd to me

 

[Southern by choice]

Have you ever noticed that when people are selling a goat and the post udder pics very few post a pic of the udder milked out ?
If a doe goes GC when she goes back out for best in show the judge wants to see the udder milked out but very few post pics of their doe milked out?
Actually its as important than a full udder so it seems odd to me

Yep! Had a big discussion on FB about this. I asked why no one doe this.LOL
Also I see many pics of side view udders, that look great 1/3,1/3,1/3 but no foreudder shots and some don't put up rear udder shots. I also like to see how a doe looks on a normal overnight fill.. not always a show fill.

Sometimes you see these really capacious udders but like OFA is saying, are they really producing or are they meaty? The other thing is I personally don't like teats that go below the hock. I like a high and tight udder...
I think it is normal for one or two shots but I agree those other shots are important!
Same as feet and being square... any one can set a goat up to look square.
Then you have the silly goats like my Raina- she is very square, yet she likes to criss cross and be silly- she acts like a dressage horse.

I agree, there is no perfect goat... picking what is important to you and working up is something that takes time.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Have you ever noticed that when people are selling a goat and the post udder pics very few post a pic of the udder milked out ?
If a doe goes GC when she goes back out for best in show the judge wants to see the udder milked out but very few post pics of their doe milked out?
Actually its as important than a full udder so it seems odd to me

I was just talking abut it this!
Maybe this is something we should include
I think we have only had a handful of people ask for those pics.
Nobody seems the give it much thought- people seem to want pics of huge, full udders.

This is important to us. Just about everyone of our does "milk out like a glove".
I know some people just don't care.
There are goats with meaty udders that can be a finished CH, but will never be a BIS doe because of it.

When I see these huge capacious udders I often wonder how they milk out.
Same thing when people post udder pics of a goat that is a week fresh- full of edema.

Right now none of our goats have meaty udders. I was worried about CG and Clover since they were rather heavy as kids. But they milk out great, so that was a relief.

 

[Southern by choice]

@OneFineAcre that is something I like about some of your does... the udder floor is high! I also like that you show by your milk records that those udders can milk!
At a show those capacious udders are already picked and placed before that milk out yet they may not be the best udders when all things are considered.
Some of those huge udders that are real "capacious" aren't really producing what they look like they should.
You know Ruthie has a nice udder and great teats and teat placement- not capacious though- BUT that goat milks way more than what she looks like... When I milk her when GW is gone I am always thinking where the heck is she storing this milk!

 

[OneFineAcre]

I just saw the first soaking wet buck kid posted
$200 and sold in 1 hour

 

[babsbag]

I can post some pictures of horrible udders.