I might finally be getting a milk cow!!!!

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Unfortunately, you will find that any animal that eats whole corn will only get 50% use out of it. The digestive enzymes often do not do a very good job of breaking down the outer part of the kernel, which when ground is known as the bran. It is very hard and not well digested. The corn does not stay in their system long enough for them to get full benefit. The only ones that can fully utilize it are poultry as they have a gizzard that actually grinds it. If you look at the manure of any cow that is getting whole corn, and even coarse cracked corn, there will be alot of undigested particles/kernels in the it. It all goes through at the same speed, whole or cracked. Dairy farmers that feed alot of corn silage usually have a "kernel processor" on the choppers/combines that they chop the corn with in the field, in order to further break down the kernels so that more is digested in the rumen faster. I wouldn't feed whole corn to anything except my poultry as you are putting some money into the manure not the animal. We have a large grinder mixer that we put whole corn, dried distillers grain for protein and alfalfa hay into and it grinds it up to the consistancy of very coarse corn meal when we have a group in the barn on feed.
Straight corn does not have enough protein for her, it is an energy feed that runs in the neighborhood of 8% protein, and will not supply all the nutrients that her growing body needs. In the perfect situation, a calf will stay on it's mother for 8-10 months, getting a more balanced diet from the milk and the roughage( grass, hay etc) that it eats. In the real world of humans determining when a calf gets weaned, you cannot expect them to get enough nutrition from just hay and grass at the much younger age. Their mothers' milk supplies alot of the stuff their bodies need to grow. She really does need a more balanced ration of some sort of protein and vitamins/minerals along with the hay in order for her bones, and body to grow. Being a smaller breed also, she cannot possibly eat enough to draw the nutrition from hay alone. Even a high protein hay like alfalfa.
We are a grass based beef operation. I finish my jerseys on grass for the freezer with a couple pounds of grain a week. That's more of a treat than "being on feed". But when we wean calves off our cows at 4-500 lbs. they get a couple pounds grain per head per day at least up to 6-700 lbs weight and they are close to a year old. On just grass, or hay they get pot bellied, and just don't grow properly. Unless we have a sale for a certain size calf, like the 425 lb steers we sold recently, we are leaving the calves on the cows longer unless the cows are losing body condition, since the calves just do better and look much better. I would think that a calf grower, NON-MEDICATED, of 14-15% protein will do her the best. By the time she is a yearling and grass is growing good, she will be able to get most of her nutrition from that and a mineral supplement. We use both loose mineral, and TM salt blocks. The loose mineral has salt in it too, but some animals seem to prefer the blocks, so I get around that by putting a block in each mineral feeder and pouring a bag of loose mineral all around it so the get some mineral when they are licking the block.
Please feel free to ask anyone else, I don't claim to have all the answers. Just don't shortchange the heifer while she is growing or she will never develop to her potential.
 

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Also, you don't want her manure to be too firm. Not running out and not so loose as to go through a keyhole at 20 paces, but soft enough that it is not so defined in tight clumps.
 

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Congrats on your first milk cow! I must admit I am green with envy, as a milk cow is a few years away for us. However, Dexter's are my favorite breed - and one I am strongly considering if I can find a breeder nearby.

I hope you can find a breeder and a reasonably priced calf! If Luna wasn't such a good price, I wouldn't have gotten one either.
 

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Wow, I never thought about it that way before, thank you once again Farmjan for your wonderful advice! I always thought whole corn would digest slower and stay in the system longer, but pooping it out does make since, that's probably why I always saw the chicken pecking though our steers droppings. :eek: :sick

That does make since about her needing more nutrients since she isn't with her mama, I plan on letting Luna wean her calf. Unless that will make her start to dry up sooner, then I could take the calf away a month early or so. I'm happy to hear that you raise them on grass too so you can see how I want to raise them. I like to eat as natural as I can, and I can't eat grain myself :( I'll call our local feed store and see if they have anything that will work for me, I know daddy go stuff from their years go. If not I'll have to check into tractor supply and farm fleet.

I was wondering how they could get potbellies on just grass though? I thought grains and stuff would cause the blot?

You never stop learning, good thing I like to keep an open mind and learn all I can. I just love being a part of this board! :love
 

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I almost forgot to say, but Luna was licking me tonight! And if I stopped scratching her she would ask for more! I forgot just how ruff their tongues were. She was licking my face ;)
 

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So I called our local feed store and all they had for feed was a non-medicated 12% protein feed or a 16% protein medicated with Lasalocid feed. I'll post the feed bag tags and if you all have any thoughts on what would be better I would really appreciate it! I did get some of the 12% for now just to get her by, she doesn't seem to like it too much though, or maybe it's just too late and she's filled up on hay. I just want what's best for my girl.

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The 16% will be non-medicated after the first of the year due to the VFD requirements of needing a vet script for medicated feed. We feed a 17% stocker type pellet to our animals as a "come in for a treat" feed to get them willing to come to call. It is non-medicated. I use a 14% calf non-medicated feed for my milk cows as they like the molasses better and mix it with the 17 % stocker pellet when they are in the barn when I am getting them situated with grafted calves and when I am milking. I don't push them for production and they get alfalfa hay to eat after they finish the grain, for the hour or so they are in there. We have our 17% stocker done custom with DE in it for parasite control and add TASCO which is a kelp for added vit and minerals for health. I think the 12% will do until after the first of the year and the medicated feed gets "un-medicated". Or try TSC and see what is available.
 

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I'm so glad the 12% will do for now, I just hope she starts to eat it. Maybe I should mix it with corn? I'm glad to know that it won't be medicated anymore.

Here's what Tractor supply has
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/dumor-calf-starter-18-feed-50-lb?cm_vc=-10005
People say their calves don't really like this though
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/producers-pride-calf-starter-50-lb?cm_vc=-10005

And farm fleet has this non medicated, it has two different medicated ones. Since this is sweeter and 16% maybe I could mix it with the 12%?
https://www.farmandfleet.com/produc...sweet-16-all-purpose-horse-and-calf-feed.html

I also only feed our grass hay, I thought about maybe buying some alfalfa pellets when she's lactating. I don't want to push her either though, I don't need much milk, enough for her calf and our family. Oh, and our local feed store can custom mix feed too, but you need to buy 500lbs worth, I don't need that much!!

Thank you for your patience, i'm so new to this whole feed thing.
 

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If your local feed mill will do 500 lb batches you are lucky. We can do 1000 lb on mineral, and 2000lb (1 ton) on feed. But we get 2-4 tons of feed at a time to put in the feed bins as we have alot of animals and it saves having to handle smaller amounts in bags. In the colder months it also "keeps" so it is not a problem. The 17% we get is multi-purpose, we use it for the cattle & the sheep. I always used to feed a 16% sweet feed when I only had my horse and she liked it fine. If you want to mix a little corn in, so she will eat it better that won't hurt, it will decrease the protein a little bit but eating is better than not eating. Let's face it, no matter how good it is for them, if they don't eat it it's not doing them any good at all....The farm fleet sounds similiar to what I fed years ago. As far as I am aware, the lasalocid (bovatec) and rumensin (monensin) that are coccidiostats will be under the Veterinary feed directive list of drugs that will be by script. So, the medicated feed from the local feed store should be changed.
One thing to think about; chickens carry cocci and can infect cattle. Calves are especially suseptible so be careful of how much contact the calf has in confined quarters. It doesn't seem to be as big a deal out in the open pastures, but can be a problem in the barn if she is in close contact with bedding etc that the chickens can scratch through and subsequently poop in and it gets mixed in. Had some calves get coccidiosis that we blamed on having turkeys and meat birds in that stall as overnight confinement 2 years before; they free ranged during the day. Can't guarantee that was it...but have to watch it now even though it has been 4 + years. Can't "sterilize the stall" very well so I am careful to watch for blood in the calves manure.
 

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Hey Jan, this has been discussed on here in a number of other places and I can't point right to them directly, but I believe the VFD requirement is for antibiotics only, and only those antibiotics that are dual purpose and can/are used with/for humans. That will NOT include coccidiostats as part of the vet required prescription.
 

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