I'm another victim.....please help if you can!

[NYRIR]

You need to either get a fecal done on her, the small one, or go ahead and treat for coccidiosis and use a good wormer on her. And repeat in 21 days, 3 times in a row.

Valbazene should be done three days in a row. and the most common dosage recommendations that I am seeing at this time is 1 cc per 25 lbs.

Valbazen is on order...but she JUST got wormed with the other last week...is it too soon to do it again?

 

[20kidsonhill]

Hmmm..protein deficient? Wormy? I used the Ivermectin so she shouldn't have worms except maybe tapes, right? Or am I way too confused from all this reading? lol.....
She gets 2 cups a day of 18% sweet goat...the hay is from a farmer up the road and we buy about 20 bales at a time....It is some type of fescue...I really don't know much about it other than it has some weeds in it...and they seem to love it...
I also bring them fresh leaves as I have no pasture....
Also, the others are growing fine on it...but...she is from a different farm....

Okay, you said what I was afraid you were going to say. You need better hay. Fescue is not that good of hay.

the protein deficiency will come from her stomach not digesting properly from being wormy, my guess would be coccidiosis. And your hay isn't providing enough energy for the young growing animals. You have any pasture at all? any browse for them?

 

[20kidsonhill]

You need to either get a fecal done on her, the small one, or go ahead and treat for coccidiosis and use a good wormer on her. And repeat in 21 days, 3 times in a row.

Valbazene should be done three days in a row. and the most common dosage recommendations that I am seeing at this time is 1 cc per 25 lbs.

Valbazen is on order...but she JUST got wormed with the other last week...is it too soon to do it again?

I would do it again, when you get the valbazene in.

 

[Roll farms]

I'd bet dollars to donuts that your 'pure alpine' is a pygmy / pygmy cross.

Have a fecal ran by a vet. Have them do a cocci float. When they verify coccidiosis, do repeat treatments every 21 days for at least 3 rounds.


All goats carry cocci....young ones / weak / sick ones w/ weakened immune systems cannot fight it off and get coccidiosis- which damages the intestinal lining and stunts their growth. I'd have the 'alpine' doeling and your wethers / buck all checked.

Do you known if the vet verified lung worm or just 'guessed' a diagnosis.

A lot of vets don't 'know' goats, and treat them like mini horses or cattle....or read a bit and throw out a diagnosis that may or may not be accurate.

We've had 1 bout w/ lungworm, and we injected ivermectin to treat it. We give ivo orally for stomach / gut worms. Inject it for anything else (mites, lungworm, liver fluke - ivo plus - etc.) Have fecals ran to verify which worms you're having problems with.....have follow fecals ran to verify that your deworming is working.

NEVER give Valbazen to a bred doe.

Try top dressing their sweet feed w/ the mineral....at least some of it will stick to the molasses and you'll know they're getting some.

 

[NYRIR]

Oh no I feel bad! I can get better hay I'm sure....
Can cocci have no symptoms?? Other than poor growth?
Also, I have Corid powder....what mix/dosage?

 

[NYRIR]

I'd bet dollars to donuts that your 'pure alpine' is a pygmy / pygmy cross.

Have a fecal ran by a vet. Have them do a cocci float. When they verify coccidiosis, do repeat treatments every 21 days for at least 3 rounds.


All goats carry cocci....young ones / weak / sick ones w/ weakened immune systems cannot fight it off and get coccidiosis- which damages the intestinal lining and stunts their growth. I'd have the 'alpine' doeling and your wethers / buck all checked.

Do you known if the vet verified lung worm or just 'guessed' a diagnosis.

A lot of vets don't 'know' goats, and treat them like mini horses or cattle....or read a bit and throw out a diagnosis that may or may not be accurate.

We've had 1 bout w/ lungworm, and we injected ivermectin to treat it. We give ivo orally for stomach / gut worms. Inject it for anything else (mites, lungworm, liver fluke - ivo plus - etc.) Have fecals ran to verify which worms you're having problems with.....have follow fecals ran to verify that your deworming is working.

NEVER give Valbazen to a bred doe.

Try top dressing their sweet feed w/ the mineral....at least some of it will stick to the molasses and you'll know they're getting some.

I wondered if she was a pygmy cross....The only buck I noticed on the property was a pygmy...but she insists that she is pure....
as for the Vet...I don't know if it was a test or not...but she did say that they(the lungworms) were resistant to the Ivomec so she had something else to be given orally...it was like a pinkish color...

As for the Kinder...any guesses on pregnancy??

 

[NYRIR]

You need to either get a fecal done on her, the small one, or go ahead and treat for coccidiosis and use a good wormer on her. And repeat in 21 days, 3 times in a row.

Valbazene should be done three days in a row. and the most common dosage recommendations that I am seeing at this time is 1 cc per 25 lbs.

Valbazen is on order...but she JUST got wormed with the other last week...is it too soon to do it again?

I would do it again, when you get the valbazene in.

Will do...and will look into getting different hay. What should I be looking for?

Also, do you think the Kinder is pregnant?

 

[20kidsonhill]

Oh no I feel bad! I can get better hay I'm sure....
Can cocci have no symptoms?? Other than poor growth?
Also, I have Corid powder....what mix/dosage?

look for a orchard grass or timothy hay or mix. and 2nd cutting if you can find it.
yes, cocci can just have poor growth rate.

interesting theory of rolls"s, that she doesn't think you Alpine is purebred. I don't know enough about alpines to know the difference. She certainly would. But regardless that pot-bellied look is due to problems.

 

[NYRIR]

Hmmm..protein deficient? Wormy? I used the Ivermectin so she shouldn't have worms except maybe tapes, right? Or am I way too confused from all this reading? lol.....
She gets 2 cups a day of 18% sweet goat...the hay is from a farmer up the road and we buy about 20 bales at a time....It is some type of fescue...I really don't know much about it other than it has some weeds in it...and they seem to love it...
I also bring them fresh leaves as I have no pasture....
Also, the others are growing fine on it...but...she is from a different farm....

Okay, you said what I was afraid you were going to say. You need better hay. Fescue is not that good of hay.

the protein deficiency will come from her stomach not digesting properly from being wormy, my guess would be coccidiosis. And your hay isn't providing enough energy for the young growing animals. You have any pasture at all? any browse for them?

Yes, I do bring them fresh trees/shrubbery daily....or walk them down our dirt road and they browse along the way. I do not have pasture but I do have a lawn...they do not eat the grass....

 

[NYRIR]

Ok, I'll look for the better hay...also, Rolls....what makes you think she is a cross? Is it just the size?


And what dose of Corid powder? And for how long?Do I do that along with the Valbazen or after?