Influx of illegal aliens

[goatgurl]

i have quietly been watching this thread from the beginning and finally have to chime in. my fathers family immigrated from Ireland, legally i might add and my mothers family was here before the pilgrims got here. i have to say those old Irishman didn't expect anyone to press 2 for Gallic, they assimilated into the American culture, worked hard and changed the way they lived, didn't expect others to change for them. do i feel sorry for all the people flooding our boarders and looking for a better life. yes i do. but no one should expect a handout just because. we are past what we as working class people can do. we don't owe anyone anything and that goes for the folks born here and live with their hand out as well as the newly arrived. somewhere this insanity has to stop. do i have the answer, unfortunately no i don't but someone just has to shoot in here amongst us, we gotta have some relief.

 

[alsea1]

LOL, I must admit I get rather annoyed when I have to press #2 for English. Pet peeve of mine.
Immigration is fine and dandy I think. But it needs to be orderly, not a free for all.
There are millions of people in this country now that do not have a job therefore not contributing to the tax coffers. Some cannot work for legitimate reasons. I don't envy them. These people need the assistance.
But for those that are able bodied but are too good to do the jobs they are qualified for, my blood boils.
I feel that our system is too easy and creates people that refuse to take a job when there are jobs. Sure they may be low level but its a job. The numbers say that some people are better off on the welfare system.
Some people think that the solution is to force pay levels up. I think that is a mistake. I used to sign the front of paychecks. It does not work that way folks.
So with that problem going on with those that are here already and then add thousands more to it, we the people are going to be bogged down horribly. I would assume that we will be taxed even more to deal with the influx of people that need assistance.
It seems to me that the UN should be putting serious pressure on these countries to lift up their own people. Create jobs in their countries for the people so they do not need to leave it.

 

[DonnaBelle]

It was interesting reading all the replies to the original thread. This country was founded by immigrants, not too long ago. My people were Scots and English, arrived here in 1627. Migrated to Southern Illinois finally in the 1870s. They left those places for the same reason the Mexicans are coming here. No work, rich upper classes with no chance to rise. If someone had met them on the East Coast of North America then and shipped them back I wouldn't be here.

I want the politicians to secure the Southern border and the Northern border. When the first nuclear bomb or the first dirty bomb goes off, illegal aliens will be the least of our problems. I truly believe it is only a matter of time before one or the other happens. The rabid Muslim terrorists will make one of the other happen at some point.

The other thing that bothers me is how can a person claim to be a "Christian" and hate illegal immigrants?? I say, what would Jesus do?? He would try to help them I think. In fact where does all that hate come from?? I know, I know, the law is the law, etc. etc. Yeah, well Hitler and Germany had laws but that didn't make any difference in Nuremburg did it??

I heard Bill O'Reilly say once that if he were in Mexico and his kids were starving he'd cross the border too. Well, so would I and so would any of you. It's easy to sit in our nice houses and pass judgement on others. Some people just have to have someone to hate. Remember how it was here in the 50's and how the blacks were treated. Well now the pendulum has swung the other way and if you say boo to a black person you'll be called a racist. So if you can't hate blacks, hate hispanics.

Having said all that I don't know what the overall solution is, but since the first post on this thread, things have only gotten worse. Our politicians are at a low low low point. Yes, Obama was to be the Messiah, but it sure didn't work out like that did it?? Thats what you get when you get idealistic and vote for a pig in a poke. LOL.

Donna Belle

 

[alsea1]

I agree Donna Belle.
The people in government office need to be held accountable for the mess they are making.
Seems they do nothing but feather their nest at our expense.
I do not think we hate the people that are flooding in. I think its fear. Many feel threatened economically. Many of us are already on the brink of financial calamity. Many of us are desperately looking for a job. In my area many employers see these people as a source of cheap labor and will hire them instead. My family has exp. this practice first hand in the mill industry and the Christmas tree industry.
Many of us know that its the middle class and lower middle class that will bear the weight of this mess because this group cannot afford to put money into tax shelters.

Sadly I don't trust any politician as far as I can throw him or her. They all tell ya what they think will get you to vote for them.
As for the Terrorist concern and the fear of a nuclear bomb being let off. I pray that does not happen. But if it does, then I imagine the world will go into a tail spin like we have never seen.

 

[DonnaBelle]

Well, if people are afraid, then they need to do whatever it takes to succeed. If that means moving to another location then do it. If it means getting a different kind of job, do it. I am sooo tired of people whining. I have an 8th grade education. My husband has a high school diploma. When the housing industry went bust up North we moved to Florida. We made good money in Florida, SAVED a lot of it. We now have 400 acres in Oklahoma and a lovely retirement. But we worked our butts off for it. We aren't rich and we never got a handout from our parents, our friends or our government. I can't believe the people who whine they can't get a job, sure you can. Take whatever you can get and make a plan and take care of yourself. If you are too lazy or dumb take what you can get then. I'm not worried about the Mexicans, they will work. I'm worried about the shiftless Americans already here that want all the Obama freebies. And all the Yellow Dog Democrats that would vote for a yellow dog before they'd vote for a Republican. That's 34% of our population by the way.

 

[alsea1]

It will be interesting to see where we go from here for sure.
LOL, Find a spot outa the way and get some popcorn and watch.

 

[animalmom]

It seems that I have been unclear.

If anyone wants to come to the US I am thrilled to have that person as long as they do it legally.

If you want charity then do it at a local level. If you have some little old lady eating cat food because her family does not provide for her or for any other reason... then it should be a local problem NOT a Washington DC issue. That poor little old lady would be dead before Washington got around to her. Local attention is cheaper, quicker and more likely to see what is really needed for the individual. A government should not be making policy on what an individual needs.

Keep in mind that the Federal Government has two, count them 2 functions: 1) provide for the mutual defense and 1) secure the borders.

Each and every time we, as a society, allow the Federal Government to do something that we, as individuals should be doing, the results are not what was expected. For instance take Social Security... the lovely little program that would insure your parents wouldn't be a burden on you when they retired. After all it was only 1/2 of 1 percent of the first $600.00 of income -- you wouldn't even miss the amount. Look at your paychecks folks! What is the percentage of your salary that is currently going to Social Security? And why? So someone else takes care of your aged parents. Why don't you take care of your aged parents? Charity does begin at home, doesn't it? Oh and what about those men who paid into Social Security and died before they could draw it out? Why let's give his money to his widow, heck let's give money to his children. Let's just take all the responsibility for the family away from the family and give it to the government. It's ok, those who work will pay for it.

How much of the money that you have paid into Social Security do you think you will see when you retire? Hummmmmm?

Welfare was originally called the Dole. It was suppose to help out until you got back on your feet, a temporary measure to keep body and soul together; now it is a way of life. Unemployment was suppose to help tide you over until you found a new job. It was presumed that you wanted to work. Now it goes on and on and on for two-three years? And you want the borders open to anyone who can walk across? Talk about charity let's put AMERICANS to work before you bring in illegals. And yes I know the arguments that Americans won't do the work. Stop welfare, stop unemployment and stop food stamps and see how fast these people who won't do the work change their minds. As long as you provide incentives for someone to not take care of himself then he won't. Why should he? Someone else will take care of him.

Thomas Aquinas said "Be thou erect or be thou made erect. Hunger is quite a motivator. Pride use to be a motivator but it has been a long time since the country had any collective pride.

We, as a society, have allowed those who govern us to fleece our pockets in the name of charity. Oh, those poor people who don't have a phone. My goodness let's give them a cell phone and those who work will pay for it. Oh those poor school districts who want to put in internet for the classrooms. Let's put another tax on everyone's phone bill to pay for internet to the schools. Do you even know what you are paying for on your phone bill? The taxes and surcharges on my phone bill cost more than the phone service. Why because policy is made in the name of helping the helpless.

Are you aware that there is a tax on suitcases that was originally put into effect to help raise money for WW2? Yep, and it is STILL in effect.

I am tired of the government encroaching on me. It's only a little here, a little there and before you know it you are the serf and the government owns you. Oh come one these illegals are just looking for a better way of life, how does that harm you? It harms in the most significant way in that it is once more another hand in your wallet taking what you earned and giving it to someone who has not earned it. Enough is enough.

Since charity begins at home, why aren't the home countries of these illegals doing anything to improve the quality of life in the home country? Is it that it is cheaper and easier to get rid of the lower classes, export them to America? If you want to do something for these poor unfortunate downtrodden feel free to do so in their home country.

I do appreciate those who have compassion for people they don't know. I truly hope these same people have made financial arrangements for their aged parents, their own retirement, and their children's expenses until the children take over their own responsibilities. I take care of my family. I take care of my extended family.

Oh, but the poor! Christ said the poor you will have with you always. Maybe if the poor don't like being poor then they will do something about it besides take my tax paid for benefits and then burn down cities because they feel "oppressed."

If anyone has any questions or points they want to address to me, maybe this thread isn't the best place. Feel free to send me a message, really. I'm not a bad person. I'm not even a hardass. I am tired of paying for other people's lives and then having that thrown back in my face with constant demands that I do more. Enough is enough. Don't think so? Send me a message and I'll read through your explanation as to why it is my moral responsibility to pay for other people's lives when they won't do anything but turn around and bite the hand that feeds them.

 

[alsea1]

It does seem everytime the federal gov. tries to help it turns into a disaster.

 

[babsbag]

I don't hate illegals and I really don't care that they are here, IF they are working. But the thing is IF they are working they aren't paying taxes and therefor other than the taxes they pay on things they buy they are not contributing what the rest of us are. I am not worried that they are taking jobs as they shouldn't be able to find a legitimate job if the employer is honest. So we have US citizens hiring illegals. Hmmm. What is really the root of that problem? If they come here legally they have to have a sponsor, a job, and a guarantee that they won't be on public assistance for X number of years. Where is the common immigrant going to find that?

There are many of them here on work visas to work in the vineyards and agriculture. I DO NOT see any US citizens lining up for those jobs. But those people are paying taxes and many of them are supporting family back in Mexico with the money they earn here. I don't begrudge them that at all.

The problem is not with the honest people coming here, it is with our govt for not finding a way to put a work program in place and to keep them off the freebies. One drug arrest, one violent crime, one gang involvement, etc should send them packing back to where they came from.

Oh, and children that are born here should NOT be citizens just because they are born on our soil.

But if the people manage to get here and are working and trying to assimilate and contributing to OUR way of life then let them stay. Some of the people here in US could learn a thing or two from these hard working"illegals" and be better off for the learnin' . I don't see US citizens sitting in front of Home Depot looking for work, I only see them sitting in front of WalMart with a "I'm homeless sign".

 

[greybeard]

I don't hate illegal immigrants--I hate illegal immigration, and mostly the 'illegal' part of it.
Bad way to begin life in a new environment--intentionally breaking a law the instant you cross a border.