Khaleesi's Kidding Thread - Babies Born!!!

[babsbag]

I up my goat's grain after kidding if I am milking them. If they are raising their kids and I am not milking as well they only get extra hay and I don't worry about grain at all. But for most goats, grain makes milk.

As far as worming it should be fine to do that now. Have you checked her eye lids? Are they pale or nice and pink? The wormer will be fine for the kids; the milk withdrawal if you are drinking the milk looks to be about 48 hours. Now that is assuming that the Ivermec F is the same or similar to Ivermec Plus.

A rough coat can also be a mineral deficiency, did you ever find minerals for her?

 

[thailand]

Hi Babsbag

Yes I have been giving her a mix of different vitamins/minerals for a couple months now. I've also just started mixing in a bit of powdered kelp too.

Thanks for the wisdom on worming. I'd like to confirm somehow that Ivomec F is the same as Ivomec Plus. I haven't been able to confirm that so far. Anyone else know anything about Ivomec F? And I don't need to worm the kids for a week or so, correct?

I my goodness they are darlings! I've just come inside from having cuddles with them. Khaleesi doesn't mind in the slightest. (Hope this doesn't sound too loopy...but while I was holding them Khaleesi and I were kissing them at the same time). Oh gosh..that sounds like I've gone nuts doesn't it.

Hey, they are just on 24 hours old now and it's a brilliant sunny and very hot day. They're panting a bit inside the goat shed. Just how soon is it ok to let them outside? I would put them in the enclosed goat pen outside. There is a little bit of grass, and Khaleesi's poops. Would that be a problem?

 

[babsbag]

I can't confirm that they are the same drug but they appear to have the same ingredients. I don't think the F is sold here. I hate to worm animals just because the clock says that I should. I don't have a worm problem here so I have never wormed a kid, but I believe that many people start at 3 weeks. The kids can go outside any time you are ready, I used to birth my kids outside and they just grew up with the herd. Now I use kidding pens as I have too many goats to keep track of and many of the kids look the same and I want to know who they belong to. Life was simple when I had 3 goats.

You need to think about cocci prevention for them at 3 weeks.

Here is a good resource that I came across, some of it won't apply since you aren't bottle raising. Spend as much time as you can handling the kids so they will be friendly and get your kids involved too; the more the merrier.

http://www.dairygoatinfo.com/f28/kid-management-birth-till-kidding-kid-management-17520/

Maybe you should get your microscope and learn to do fecals to check for worms.

The minerals that goats seem to lack the most are copper, selenium, and zinc. Here we can get a blood test done for those, (a liver biopsy would be more accurate, but can't do that on a live goat) not sure how you would get a test done. I think that goats in the USA are the forgotten livestock and then I read your posts and I realize that we aren't as forgotten as we could be.

More pictures are always welcomed.

 

[sadieml]

Wonderful, Khaleesi! She did such a good job. BEAUTIFUL babies, easy to tell apart AND timed just right for you and DH. She is so considerate. Also, there you are proving what a caring goatie mom you are by checking on all the little details right away.

What do your 9 kids think of Khaleesi's kids? Love at first sight, right? Nothing in the world like baby goaties. Our boys were 3 days before we met them, but my heart melted like a goat in rain. They are incredible. God intended us to have goats in our lives and I truly believe that is what leads to the innate bond between goaties (people) and their kids (goats). It is truly "meant to be".
How do you plan to do the milking? Lots of people start off by taking the babies away at night and milking 1st thing in the AM, then leaving the babies with MaaMaa all day. That just means one bottle daily. As they get older, to prevent her milk from dropping off you'll want to take them away altogether and milk AM and PM. That is presuming you want her milk for your family. @babsbag, @Southern by choice, @Goat Whisperer, and others can tell you when it is best to transition. I am still a noob and, therefore, still learning also. I am so happy for you and just a little jealous. I am still sooo impatient for does and babies. Hopefully it won't be too long. We're studding in a few weeks. Hope Jaeger is ready! I know I am! I really must remember, God's timing is always PERFECT.

 

[Southern by choice]

I believe the Ivermectin F may be the PLUS... can you read the label it will say ivermectin and blah blah blah....

Ivermectin according to FARAD it is 5-7 days
Ivermectin PLUS (which I think is the F) is far longer I will check but I think 30-45 days.

this is for plain ivermectin according to dosage-
http://www.farad.org/WDILookup/DigestResults.asp

 

[Southern by choice]

Yeah pretty sure the F is for Flukes trearment when I am looking it up... which means it may have Clorsulon)

Ok just foundit .. IT IS ivermectin PLUS.... whole different withdrawal... stilllooking it up... it is a LONG time!

Can't find it in approved you could submit a request.

 

[thailand]

Thanks especially to Southern for all your sleuthing on my behalf. I've just done some researching myself and it seems there are some out there that say Ivermec + (F) shouldn't be given orally to goats as can cause death! Now I'm worried! If not this medication, then what else could I use? I'm loathe to inject anything (just because I'm too scared to as never had to inject any animal before...I know, I know, I really need to get over this). I'd much prefer to give something orally if possible. Thoughts?

 

[Southern by choice]

We all give ivermectin orally. It is safest way for goats.
Ivermectin in the states is off label for goats so must be under the supervision of a vet anyway.

Occasionally a breeder may inject but it is usually given orally.

Is there a way you can snap a picture of the instructions from the box?

I am perplexed

Oh and BTW- I thought I had already posted...

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a doe and a buck! Woo HOO!

 

[babsbag]

There is a big difference in everything I read as far as giving Ivermectin orally or SQ and withdrawal time. One drug residue prevention manual says that plain Ivermectin is 35 days if SQ and Ivermectin with Clorsulon is 49 days. But FARAD says that Ivemectin is only 9 days for milk if given orally so does that mean that Clorsulon would be about 12 days if given orally? Of course I know that my logic is too simple.

I can't find anything that says that Clorsulon is even approved for lactating cattle so @Southern by choice you are a better sleuth than I am.

But I found this... The half life of Clorsulon is measured in hours in sheep and goats if given SQ or IV.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1433492

I did find an article about elephants with this reference... a mixture of 1% ivermectin and 10% Clorsulon (Ivomec – F)...

 

[Southern by choice]

There is a big difference in everything I read as far as giving Ivermectin orally or SQ and withdrawal time. One drug residue prevention manual says that plain Ivermectin is 35 days if SQ and Ivermectin with Clorsulon is 49 days. But FARAD says that Ivemectin is only 9 days for milk if given orally so does that mean that Clorsulon would be about 12 days if given orally? Of course I know that my logic is too simple.

I can't find anything that says that Clorsulon is even approved for lactating cattle so @Southern by choice you are a better sleuth than I am.

But I found this... The half life of Clorsulon is measured in hours in sheep and goats if given SQ or IV.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1433492

I did find an article about elephants with this reference... a mixture of 1% ivermectin and 10% Clorsulon (Ivomec – F)...

Oh Babs you are rotten... you know I LOVE stuff like this and it stinks as I have no time to look into this buttttt it will be another thing worth eventually exploring!

@thailand
I think it may be best to submit to FARAD and explain where you are and how you are just trying to find out what you can do... they may help you.