~Livinwright Farm's kidding thread~ 2 preggers does... hopefully :)

[jodief100]

 

[Roll farms]

I'm very sorry.

 

[Livinwright Farm]

Thank you all for your condolences. We will be making a post to our website's blog... in memorium for Cali. While we grieve her loss, life & the farm must continue on.

As stated a while before, we are sure that Maude is pregnant.. and by the look of her udder, I am guessing that she still has a month to go... then again, goats are liars, right? The good news, is that Maude kidded a single buckling with her first freshening last year and with relative ease, so even if she is only carrying a single buckling again, she shouldn't have an issue. Please pray for her to be carrying at least 1 doeling! Would love to have some more girls, not to mention, girls with wattles!

Momma is still a mystery. If we hadn't just spent $405 plus gas for the 2 hr round trip trying to save Cali, we would have brought Momma in to either have blood drawn & sent to be analyzed or an ultrasound done... NO money for that now, so we will just wait & see. We might have to wait through October, as Falkor at least attempted to breed her a week or so ago. She wasn't exactly agreeable to his advances.
Under normal circumstances, we wouldn't be hoping for her to have been bred unplanned, but having just lost Cali, we need for her to be pregnant. Momma had twins with her first freshening, so the odds are favorable that she will kid multiples again, right?

 

[jodief100]

I am so sorry for your loss and you have my deapest sympathies.

Momma had twins with her first freshening, so the odds are favorable that she will kid multiples again, right?

The research I have read on Boers and other meat breeds shows the opposite. The statistics are a doe that has twins her first year is more likely to have a single the next. The "average" doe has three kids her first two kiddings.

 

[Livinwright Farm]

I am so sorry for your loss and you have my deapest sympathies.

Momma had twins with her first freshening, so the odds are favorable that she will kid multiples again, right?

The research I have read on Boers and other meat breeds shows the opposite. The statistics are a doe that has twins her first year is more likely to have a single the next. The "average" doe has three kids her first two kiddings.

Right, but she is not a Boer... Momma & Maude are Nigerians. Potentially throwbacks, but Nigerians nonetheless. I am working on getting the info of where they originally came from... just waiting to hear back from the woman we got them from as to where SHE got them from.

 

[elevan]

Unfortunately unless you know the history for the specific doe it's really hard to figure out how many they might have...even based on breed.

For example if you had her for several years and she kidded 3 or 4 times and each time was twins well then you're likely to get twins (maybe...).

Lady we got Lilly from said she had always kidded twins and when she kidded her first time for us it was a single.

I will say I would be careful about how you feed the last month of gestation so as to avoid have overly large kids.

I'll be watching for updates on Maude and Momma

 

[Livinwright Farm]

Unfortunately unless you know the history for the specific doe it's really hard to figure out how many they might have...even based on breed.

For example if you had her for several years and she kidded 3 or 4 times and each time was twins well then you're likely to get twins (maybe...).

Lady we got Lilly from said she had always kidded twins and when she kidded her first time for us it was a single.

I will say I would be careful about how you feed the last month of gestation so as to avoid have overly large kids.

I'll be watching for updates on Maude and Momma

How do you feed your girls in their last month or so?
I have been giving Maude: 2 cups of Purina Noble Goat twice per day, 2-3 cups of Lucerne Farm's Alfa Supreme, an apple (when we have them), regular hay, water, plus pasture(I cut and bring to them) and produce trimmings & corn husks.

 

[RainySunday]

So sorry to hear about Cali, very sad.

As far as feeding, my Nigerians get about a cup/cup and half twice a day on the milk stand of Noble Goat (when they are lactating), plus a handful or so of alfalfa pellets (also twice a day on the stand). They also get free choice grass hay and water and loose minerals and pasture for 7-10 hours during the day. My pregnant doe (due in the next 3 weeks) gets a half cup a day of noble goat, plus a sprinkle of Boss and alf pellets (as well as the hay/water/minerals/pasture). She is in good condition, and since she is not huge (and has only had single or twins in the past), I don't want to risk a huge single by feeding too much.

All of that said, I am no where near an expert, as she is out first pregnant doe. SO take it with *several* grains of salt.

 

[chubbydog811]

Unfortunately unless you know the history for the specific doe it's really hard to figure out how many they might have...even based on breed.

For example if you had her for several years and she kidded 3 or 4 times and each time was twins well then you're likely to get twins (maybe...).

Lady we got Lilly from said she had always kidded twins and when she kidded her first time for us it was a single.

I will say I would be careful about how you feed the last month of gestation so as to avoid have overly large kids.

I'll be watching for updates on Maude and Momma

How do you feed your girls in their last month or so?
I have been giving Maude: 2 cups of Purina Noble Goat twice per day, 2-3 cups of Lucerne Farm's Alfa Supreme, an apple (when we have them), regular hay, water, plus pasture(I cut and bring to them) and produce trimmings & corn husks.

The question wasn't directed at me...but...
I only give my girls 1 cup at most of grain a day the last 2 months (or as soon as they are dried off), and make up for the rest with free choice hay and minerals. It's lucky I did it that way this year, because all of my kids were very large as it was.
Knowing that I have Saanens and Saanen x's, I think you may be way over feeding them, seeing how they are mini goats, not full sized goats.
When I had pygmies, my vet said to only give them a small handful (a half cup at most) per feeding when dry.

Also - VERY sorry to hear about the kid and Cali

 

[SDGsoap&dairy]

We feed enough to ensure they're slightly overconditioned 30 days out, then feed just enough to maintain body weight until kidding. We don't push them to gain anything in the last month when the kids do most of their growing. I'd rather they strip just a little bit than overfeed at that time. The actual amount will be different for each doe.