Need help with legal question about a purchased goat... UPDATE...

[ThreeBoysChicks]

Unfortunately, I think you are in a pickle of a situation and you can not get out of it.

When I bought my Nubian Doe, the buyer said that her grand parents were registered, but that her parents although pure bred, were not registered. I paid accordingly for her. Definiately call the ADGA, they were most helpful with me and understanding how it all works. But it sounds like this goat may not really be registered and you were scammed. Does the goat have any tattoos? I am new to this myself. But technically, doesn't she need to be tattood and that tattoo associated with the ADGA registeration number? if you have the animal with the tattoo and that is linked to a valid registration ID, i think you have more ground to work with.

Definiately call and speak with the ADGA.

Sorry, you are going through this. Sounds like you really love the goat though.

For me, I bred my Nubian to a registered buck and her kids are now registered 50%. I am ok with that. She is a great goat, produces a lot of really good milk and gave me two beautiful doelings. Can not complain.

 

[sawfish99]

Yes, the ADGA is the registry in question for you (there are others) based on your finding an ADGA number for her. How did you find the number? Was it based on the name he provided for the goat?

However, if you don't have a bill of sale, and you don't have signed transfer paperwork from the owner, I doubt the ADGA will transfer her registration to you. Call and ask.

 

[sawfish99]

FYI - the way I handle situations like "I've got the paperwork and will send it to you" is "I'll pay you x amount now and when I get the paperwork I'll send you the remainder". Then I am comfortable with the price if I never get the paperwork. If the paperwork is absolutely critical, the don't pay anything until the paperwork is correct.

 

[Catahoula]

Back in March I found an ad on Craigslist for milking goats for sale. I called the people and went out to look at them. I fell in love with one and went back and bought her three days later. The guy said his daughter had the pedigree and that he would get it to me as soon as he got it from her. I asked him a couple times in emails if he had got it from her and he said "not yet". A couple weeks went by and asked him again, still no, so I asked him to mail or fax me a bill of sale for her, signed, as the ADGA said they could transfer her into my name with a signature from him. He said sure he will send it. Well it's been another month and 2 emails later and I have not heard back from him. So I'm assuming by this point he is not going to send it?

I was super new to goats and had no idea what I was doing. I will never buy another goat without pedigree in hand.

I have her ADGA number and pedigree printed offline.

I've had her for three months now, so how do I go about putting her in my name?

I wonder if he is the registered owner or his daughter is? Doe the ADGA pedigree printout state the seller's name as the owner of your goat? If ADGA said they could transfer her to you only with his signature (or whoever is the legal owner), heck with them again explain the situation that the seller ignored you and see if what you can do. You may have to take him to court or like another member said, have a lawyer draw up a letter stating is he doesn't comply within such an such dates that you'd be force to take him to court.
Good Luck!

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

WhiteMountainsRanch, every goat has a "pedigree" of some sort, so what you are asking for is Registration certificates or signed applications/bills of sale to get the goats transferred into your name. The person you purchased the goats from may not have the papers and that is why he isn't giving you any. In other words, the goats may not even be registered stock. In this case, it may just be a buyer beware situation and you may never get papers. Any time you purchase animals that are advertised as registered, before you take possession of the goats, make sure you have those papers in your hand when you leave with them. CraigsList can be notorious for selling things that are not what the seller claims they are.

Sorry you are going through this, and hopefully you can get it worked out. I don't think ADGA (one of the registries for dairy goats) can do much to help. You could have an attorney write a letter to the person who sold the goats to you as registered stock that you demand the papers and if they are not received within "x" number of days, you will take him to small claims court. Did you get a receipt for your payment or anything from the person in writing selling the goats to you?

She is tattooed and registered. I have another "goat friend" who knows the original breeder and helped me track down her pedigree, that's what I have printed off AGDA.

I do not have a receipt or anything else, EXCEPT I do have ALL the emails going between me and him even up to the day I said I was coming to pick her up and ALL of his responses to everything.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

Unfortunately, I think you are in a pickle of a situation and you can not get out of it.

When I bought my Nubian Doe, the buyer said that her grand parents were registered, but that her parents although pure bred, were not registered. I paid accordingly for her. Definiately call the ADGA, they were most helpful with me and understanding how it all works. But it sounds like this goat may not really be registered and you were scammed. Does the goat have any tattoos? I am new to this myself. But technically, doesn't she need to be tattood and that tattoo associated with the ADGA registeration number? if you have the animal with the tattoo and that is linked to a valid registration ID, i think you have more ground to work with.

Definiately call and speak with the ADGA.

Sorry, you are going through this. Sounds like you really love the goat though.

For me, I bred my Nubian to a registered buck and her kids are now registered 50%. I am ok with that. She is a great goat, produces a lot of really good milk and gave me two beautiful doelings. Can not complain.

Yes she is tattooed and registered. My friend knows the original breeder.

I just need to figure out how to put her in my name.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

I wonder if he is the registered owner or his daughter is? Doe the ADGA pedigree printout state the seller's name as the owner of your goat? If ADGA said they could transfer her to you only with his signature (or whoever is the legal owner), heck with them again explain the situation that the seller ignored you and see if what you can do. You may have to take him to court or like another member said, have a lawyer draw up a letter stating is he doesn't comply within such an such dates that you'd be force to take him to court.
Good Luck!

Hmm, good question, I guess I never thought of that! It was his farm though, not the daughters, she didn't even live there, but I guess that doesn't mean much.

The ADGA paper I have does NOT list the owners name, it's just the pedigree printed out from the ADGA pedigree search.

This is it: http://adgagenetics.org/GoatDetail.aspx?RegNumber=N001483716

I have emailed the very helpful lady at ADGA that was helping me before all this happened, hopefully she will know what to do.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

There are lots of good answers and I agree the only thing you can do is talk to the registry. I don't think it will turnout very well, but we're all hoping it does!! I also strongly suggest that you get to know the higher-up in the registries you use and get to know the system. Know all about the registry and how it works and all the forms. Knowing all that really helps you know what you need to look for and how it all works. That's what I do and it has only helped!! GL again!!

 

[daisyjack]

I am new to ADGA too so i might be wrong but this is what I would do. I would call ADGA up and try and find out who the owner is that the goat is registered under then I would also have ADGA send you a registration/transfer form. I would bring that form to the owner and have him sign it. if you give him everything he needs to transfer her to you and you mail it out your self then he will have no excuse to delay you from getting you doe transferred over to your name.

 

[poorboys]

Last year, same problem except she signed the papers, but when I went to register them, she did not belong as a member to adga, and she put down the wrong numbers on the goats ID tags, and without everything being correct they can-not help me, I bought 4 does who should have been fully registerable. but only one was, the parents were not even her goats. and since she no longer was a member of adga they could'nt do anything about it, Bad- people make the rest of us suffer. Sorry but I doubt you see any good results. I called her for a long time, but finally gave it up.