Need help with legal question about a purchased goat... UPDATE...

[hcppam]

I wonder if he is the registered owner or his daughter is? Doe the ADGA pedigree printout state the seller's name as the owner of your goat? If ADGA said they could transfer her to you only with his signature (or whoever is the legal owner), heck with them again explain the situation that the seller ignored you and see if what you can do. You may have to take him to court or like another member said, have a lawyer draw up a letter stating is he doesn't comply within such an such dates that you'd be force to take him to court.
Good Luck!

Hmm, good question, I guess I never thought of that! It was his farm though, not the daughters, she didn't even live there, but I guess that doesn't mean much.

The ADGA paper I have does NOT list the owners name, it's just the pedigree printed out from the ADGA pedigree search.

This is it: http://adgagenetics.org/GoatDetail.aspx?RegNumber=N001483716

I have emailed the very helpful lady at ADGA that was helping me before all this happened, hopefully she will know what to do.

yes I was thinking the same thing his daughters name,if that wasn't a story, if you paid by check that might help you with ADGA.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

Of course I paid cash, he wouldn't accept any other form of payment. :/

 

[hcppam]

Of course I paid cash, he wouldn't accept any other form of payment. :/

Sorry.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

What would I do in the event that the goat actually is his Daughters and not his?

 

[Mossy Stone Farm]

I really think you may just have to let this go and chalk it up to a learning exp... I don't think the ADGA is going to do anything, not really much they can do..

I am sorry it happend.....

 

[redtailgal]

Honestly, at this point, I would have to play a bluff on him. I'd call and ask one more time for the papers. Then I'd sent a certified letter letting him know that he had 30 to produce the paperwork or you'd be forced to take legal action.

Of course, taking legal action is not really gonna happen, but he doesnt know that.

 

[sunny]

The first thing I would do is contact my freind that knows the breeder and see whether the paperwork has ever been transfered to new owners. Perhaps the reason they are being this way is because they never transfered the paperwork themselves. If so, the original breeder can fill out a transfer to you. I believe that the breeder also has some pull toward getting a transfer done even if the papers have been taken out of their name. They might be able to help anyway.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

Ok, I'm sending him a CERTIFIED letter tomorrow with a self addressed and stamped envelope for return:

Dear Sir,
On Thursday March 22nd, 2012 I, Cari Johnson, purchased a Nubian goat (KIDSVILLE CS LADY BUG - N001483716) from you. At the time of purchase you stated your daughter had the pedigree and you would be able to get it to me when you next were able to contact her. It has been four months and I have sent several emails and still no response as to the acquisition of the pedigree.
I have contacted the American Dairy Goat Association and they state that I can transfer her to my name with a simple Bill of Sale, with a signature from you, stating the pedigree has been lost.
I have included the Bill of Sale for Lady Bug for which I am requesting your signature. I have also included a self stamped envelope for your convenience in mailing it back to me. It will be very much appreciated if you send me the signed Bill of Sale regarding the Nubian Doe Lady Bug.
Im sorry it has to come to this but if I do not receive the signed Bill of Sale within 30 days I will be forced to take legal action.

I also included the Bill of Sale for which I am requesting the signature;

Bill of Sale:

I ___________________________ have sold one Purebred Nubian Doe ((KIDSVILLE CS LADY BUG - N001483716) to Cari Johnson on March 22, 2012 for the amount of $300 paid in cash. This goat has a missing pedigree. Please transfer to the new owner Cari Johnson.

Hopefully he will return the bill of sale and hopefully the ADGA will accept it and transfer her into my name.

I'll keep ya'll updated.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Ok, I sent him a letter today with a self addressed and stamped envelope for return:

Dear Sir,
On Thursday March 22nd, 2012 I, Cari Johnson, purchased a Nubian goat (KIDSVILLE CS LADY BUG - N001483716) from you. At the time of purchase you stated your daughter had the pedigree and you would be able to get it to me when you next were able to contact her. It has been four months and I have sent several emails and still no response as to the acquisition of the pedigree.
I have contacted the American Dairy Goat Association and they state that I can transfer her to my name with a simple Bill of Sale, with a signature from you, stating the pedigree has been lost.
I have included the Bill of Sale for Lady Bug for which I am requesting your signature. I have also included a self stamped envelope for your convenience in mailing it back to me. It will be very much appreciated if you send me the signed Bill of Sale regarding the Nubian Doe Lady Bug.
Im sorry it has to come to this but if I do not receive the signed Bill of Sale within 30 days I will be forced to take legal action.

I also included the Bill of Sale for which I am requesting the signature;

Bill of Sale:

I ___________________________ have sold one Purebred Nubian Doe ((KIDSVILLE CS LADY BUG - N001483716) to Cari Johnson on March 22, 2012 for the amount of $300 paid in cash. This goat has a missing pedigree. Please transfer to the new owner Cari Johnson.

Hopefully he will return the bill of sale and hopefully the ADGA will accept it and transfer her into my name.

I'll keep ya'll updated.

Very good letter and PLEASE keep us updated. I hope this joker gets it together!!

 

[Roll farms]

Call the ADGA, they may insist you use one of their "Bill of Sale" forms....

I know it doesn't seeeem like it would matter, but I've never dealt w/ a pickier organization in my life. I like that they make sure things are done correctly, but sometimes it's like jumping through hoops.

Sure hope he sends it back. Good luck.