Need some help!!!

[goatgirl]

Have several questions I need help with....first.....I have a SUPER nice doe that kidded out last October (2010)...the weather was aweful...50 today.....80 tommorow, rain everyday! @ 2 weeks the baby got pneumonia and during the next week the mother got mastitis (on one side). Baby almost fully recovered but ended up dieing....I treated the mastitis but could never really resolve it (I hear that is usually the result) the doe recovered but one side stayed ballooned out for a couple of months , then with in a few days shrunk down and looked normal. Never could tell after that she ever had any problem. Months later she rebred and is due in about 3 weeks.....looks great. My question is will she be ok or will that side be no good ....is it ok for the baby to nurse on her, should I get a "califormia" mastitis test to test her? I don't have much experience with mastitis. It will KILL me for something to go wrong this time!

Also I just had another kid (7 month old) sneek in the pasture with (of all things) her daddy yesterday!!!!....by the time I noticed what she did he had bred her!...never had this happen. SO obviously I want to make sure this doesn't develope into anything. I have heard ...give lut. at 8 days after breeding...wondering if PG 600 will work too....I have some of that.
Thanks in advance!!!.......OH my!...what kind of kid am I raising?!...and that Daddy of hers?

 

[sunny]

California masitis tests may tell you that there is a problem but, very little more then that. True mastitis is a systematic disease with fever, red inflamed extremely painful udder, and a dying doe. There are some milder forms of infection and then there's blocked milk ducts, simple congestion, etc.
The best way to tell is to send a sample in. LSU takes samples and will do a sensitivity test on any bacteria they find. Then you know exactly where you are and what you're dealing with. The great thing is that then you can take the papers to the vet and say "look I had this ran and I need these drugs", how can they argue with it? The most expensive part of the whole thing is the shipping, the mastitis test is free as it's part of a fact gathering thing that they are doing, and the sensitivity test is like $15.00 more.
If she has any milk left in her udder you could do this now. Otherwise you're going to have to wait.

The other thing is that once you get her cleared up, I would definately get the the Lisigin shots that prevent Staff rash and mastitis for her and her kids.

PG 600 is a fertility horomone to help a doe throw more eggs or to be used in the protocol to bring does into heat out of season. As far as I know it won't abort does reliably. I was told to wait at least two weeks before giving lute. It won't work until the fetus has implanted. Not all father to daughter breedings are bad, some are very good. I'm doing one this year on purpose
How much does your doeling weigh and what breed is she?

 

[Queen Mum]

IF the doeling weighs at least 80 pounds she should be OK. Otherwise wait a couple weeks and abort.

If the doe had mastitis last term, as long as you do some massages and work with her when she kids, she should be OK to nurse. Good udder care will avoid any future problems.

One of my does had really bad mastitis and blew her udder and now she is doing great. No problems. She tended to not want to let her kids nurse that side at first but I just made sure that I milked out her udder when she kidded so that she didn't get an overly full udder. Then when the kids got bigger, they nursed it and that was the end of any problems for her. If you are worried about it you can always bottle feed the babies and just strip milk her for the next kidding or two.

 

[Chickie2378]

I would not abort. Accidents while not intended by the farmer most times, it is better to let nature take its course. Sell the kid, freezer the kid, or keep as needed.

One breed back is my rule, if I ever use that rule. While this is 'very loose' rule on who to breed back, only under certain circumstances would I do and have done like Sunny mentioned.

But aborting now is worse in a way. It is more stressful possibly than letting nature take its course.

7 months old can breed. Hopefully one small kid will entail without any problems. 80lbs is my earliest breeding age.
7 now, 12 mos. when kid is born. I see no problems..but pushing it a bit.

 

[Queen Mum]

I abort if the doe is just to small to kid. That's my only concern. For example, when I thought Brownie was bred at three months old by a buck that would have produced HUGE kids, I would have aborted in a heart beat!

Just saying...

 

[goatgirl]

I would allow "nature to take its course" BUT she is a VERY valuable doe at my place and probably just a bit small, AND the baby would just about be useless bred to her father. I feel at this time allowing her to kid would be more of a risk than aborting the baby.

Since I have never done this before I AM wondering..once I do this how soon will she pass the baby(s)...how soon will she come into heat again? BTW she is a Fullblood Boer.

 

[SuburbanFarmChic]

We had a boer bred at 8/9 months and was set to kid out at a a little over a year. We ended up with both her and the baby dieing because it was ONE BIG male kid and she couldn't pass it and there wasn't room to turn him. His head was bent WAY back.

Had I known she was carrying a single, I would have aborted her.

 

[ksalvagno]

I would wait at least 2 weeks until you use Lutalyse. There has to be a corpus luteum in order for Lutalyse to work. I would definitely give the Lute if this is a valuable doe. Use Lutalyse or Estrumate. Those are the only 2 that will work.

Did you actually clear up the mastitis? I'm going to say that if the mastitis never cleared up, then you probably have a bad half. I guess time will tell when she gives birth. I would be sure to milk her and see how that side is, preferably before the kids nurse on it.

 

[aggieterpkatie]

But aborting now is worse in a way. It is more stressful possibly than letting nature take its course.

7 months old can breed. Hopefully one small kid will entail without any problems. 80lbs is my earliest breeding age.
7 now, 12 mos. when kid is born. I see no problems..but pushing it a bit.

Sorry, but I definitely disagree. Aborting 14 days after breeding won't cause any stress to the doe. Carrying a kid to term and having possible dystocia and possibly losing both kid and dam is WAY worse. If it's a valuable doe and an unplanned breeding, I would not hesitate to lute her.

 

[elevan]

I have luted several times. It does not cause stress to the doe at all. Wait until a minimum of 14 days past breeding to give. I give a second dose 3 weeks after the first (my vet's fail safe practice).

On the other hand, allowing a doe to carry to term a kid when her body is not mature enough to do so can cause damage for both the doe and / or the kid.