Newbie. Is this an OK plan? more Qs on post #5 @ worming

[TGreenhut]

Ok, so this may come as a shock to all you experts on here, but that's why I am on here. For the first time in my life, I own a pregnant doe. She will be kidding in March (but I dont know exactly when in March :/ ) so I want to make sure I have a good "plan" for prenatal care for my goat. Any advice or suggestions on my plan or on just kidding goats in general, is greatly appreciated.

So here is my plan:

50 days before kidding:
-give her a hoof trim (I don't only trim her hooves at this point but this is a reminder to have a recent trim before she kids)
-allow free choice minerals, yeast culture (even though I already do this)
-worm with Ivomec Plus, orally

6 weeks before kidding:
-give 1 lb. grain daily until she kids (because she is a nubian)

5/4 weeks before:
-shot of BoSe
-CD&T vaccination

3 weeks before:
-add dried beet pulp to daily share of grain

2 weeks before:
-Booster shot of BoSe

1 week before kidding:
-Clean out kidding pen
-Make sure my "birthing kit" is ready/supplies I might need when my doe is kidding (Although I will have this ready sooner, this is a reminder to double check everything)

 

[ksalvagno]

Goats should have a free choice mineral at all times. Depending on the goat, you may have to trim more often than that. Don't use Ivomec Plus on a pregnant goat. I would only worm if she needs it. Usually people worm after they have given birth. I would probably make sure your birthing kit is ready earlier in case you have to order something and have it shipped. I give a CDT shot and BoSe shot between 4-6 weeks prior and that is it but I'm sure other people have other practices. Never have added Vitamin E before so I have no idea about that one. Good luck. Don't bother giving the baking soda free choice.

Also, there is Vitamin E in BoSe so you may want to look into how much, if any, of the extra vitamin E you would want to give.

 

[KinderKorner]

Above poster is correct. Wanted to add it's not always a good idea to give a pregnent doe grain, especially in the last few months. It makes the baby grow too big, and fat goats have more problems birthing.

The vit E is not needed. Thats what the Bose is for.

 

[20kidsonhill]

If you have full-size nubian does, I highly recommend giving them grain the last 6 weeks of pregnancy,if you aren't already giving them any. Or making sure they have plenty of alfalfa hay and or alfalfa pellets with good grass mix hay.

Nubian kids need a lot of energy to grow. Now if you had a pygmy or dwarf breed you would need to be more careful with the amount of grain you are feeding during a pregancy, or maybe if you nubians are bred to a boer buck. But even my nubian boer cross does seem to require a lot of calories the last month, or your kids will be weak legged and flimsier than you want.

we give 1lb(3 cups of 16% goat grain) per doe a day, the last month before kidding, plus towards the end I add a cup of dried beet pulp to this. You could also add alalfa pellets to this, if they aren't getting a lot or any alfalfa hay.

Your schedule you have listed sounds pretty good, but I agree they should already be getting loose minerals. You could easily do the bo-se shot and vaccine the same time, and then the 2nd bo-se shot, one or two weeks before due dates.

we don't worm on a regular basis, so that wouldn't be my first choice to worm her 50 days before kidding. Matter of preferrance. We only worm as needed.

Overall, sounds like you have a very good plan.

 

[TGreenhut]

Goats should have a free choice mineral at all times. Depending on the goat, you may have to trim more often than that. Don't use Ivomec Plus on a pregnant goat. I would only worm if she needs it. Usually people worm after they have given birth. I would probably make sure your birthing kit is ready earlier in case you have to order something and have it shipped. I give a CDT shot and BoSe shot between 4-6 weeks prior and that is it but I'm sure other people have other practices. Never have added Vitamin E before so I have no idea about that one. Good luck. Don't bother giving the baking soda free choice.

Also, there is Vitamin E in BoSe so you may want to look into how much, if any, of the extra vitamin E you would want to give.

She needs to be wormed because right now she has light pink/pale gums, some soft poops, when I bought her she was on the thin side (though its hard to tell now because she is pregnant), and she seems to have lice or something and I heard Ivomec Plus gets rid of lice/fleas. If I shouldn't use Ivomec Plus, can I use Safeguard? I have Safeguard but haven't used it because I've heard it can be ineffective... If I use Safeguard, does it matter when I use it in the pregnancy? Also, If I worm with Ivomec Plus after she kids, is it ok for the kid to drink her milk? Is it ok for us to drink her milk? Am I supposed to worm her kids shortly after they are born? If I am is Ivomec plus safe to use?

Sorry for all the questions...

 

[TGreenhut]

If you have full-size nubian does, I highly recommend giving them grain the last 6 weeks of pregnancy,if you aren't already giving them any. Or making sure they have plenty of alfalfa hay and or alfalfa pellets with good grass mix hay.

Nubian kids need a lot of energy to grow. Now if you had a pygmy or dwarf breed you would need to be more careful with the amount of grain you are feeding during a pregancy, or maybe if you nubians are bred to a boer buck. But even my nubian boer cross does seem to require a lot of calories the last month, or your kids will be weak legged and flimsier than you want.

we give 1lb(3 cups of 16% goat grain) per doe a day, the last month before kidding, plus towards the end I add a cup of dried beet pulp to this. You could also add alalfa pellets to this, if they aren't getting a lot or any alfalfa hay.

Your schedule you have listed sounds pretty good, but I agree they should already be getting loose minerals. You could easily do the bo-se shot and vaccine the same time, and then the 2nd bo-se shot, one or two weeks before due dates.

we don't worm on a regular basis, so that wouldn't be my first choice to worm her 50 days before kidding. Matter of preferrance. We only worm as needed.

Overall, sounds like you have a very good plan.

She is a purebred nubian and bred to another purebred nubian, so I will give grain in the last 6 weeks of pregnancy, thanks!

I wasn't specific enough on my plan, but I am already giving loose minerals, I guess I was just expressing the importance of having it during the pregnancy as well...

Thanks for the advice on when to give BoSe and vaccine. I will change that on my plan because it makes more sense.

About the worming, can you read the questions I have on my last post where I was quoting ksalvagno?

Thanks!

 

[ksalvagno]

Just regular Ivomec is what you want to use. It will also get rid of the lice. You can also put Sevin Dust on her. Dose at 1cc per 20 lbs orally.

Ivomec Plus is fine for anything but pregnant. There is something in the Plus that isn't good for pregnant goats. Not a guarantee that something will happen because I'm sure people have used it and had no problems. But why take the chance.

I would have a fecal done if I were you to find out what worms she has. If her eyelids are light, then Barberpole is a probability and I would definitely get her started on the Ivomec. But it definitely wouldn't hurt to make sure she doesn't have anything else.

If she is thin, you really do want to work on building her up a bit. When she milks, she will be a skeleton if she is actually thin now. You can give her alfalfa hay and or pellets, beet pulp and even some grain.

 

[20kidsonhill]

Okay, this is what I know about worming,

safegaurd is very very safe, but you should try as much as possible to avoid worming the first 60 days, but you are past that.
Safegaurd wont do anything for lice/mites, but if you give it 3 x the label dosage 3 days in a row, it may help with tapeworms, and other worms.

Ivermectin(not ivermectin plus) will help with lice/mites, but it is recommended to give it as an injectable by our vet for external parasites at the rate of 2cc per 100lbs, We give it in the armpit area by the front leg. burns like crazy, repeat in 10 days. Wont help much with internal parasites given in this manner. But keep in mind if you goat has LIce, they will look anemic.

ivermectin is used for humans for worming, so probably not a real big deal if there is some carry over in the milk. That is my opinion, I don't have any medical background to back that up.

IVermectin does nothing for tapeworms, not saying that is your problem, just commenting on this. Ivermectin should be given orally for other stomach worms at the recommended dosage of 1cc per 25lbs.

You can use powders or sprays for external parasites. Co-Ral powder works well for lice. There are several other options. pyri

If your goat is having internal parasite problems and lice problems consider getting a hold of some Copasure and giving orally, 1gram of copper oxide rods per 22 lbs. Copper in the system really helps with lice and parasites and healthy hooves.

You are a good 30 days away from kidding so at this point, residuals from worming shouldn't be much of a problem in the milk, but I do know people who milk are using ivermectin as a wormer even while milking and drinking the milk.

 

[ksalvagno]

Safeguard and Ivomec don't get the same worms so you need to know what worm you are dealing with so you can treat with the appropriate dewormer.

 

[TGreenhut]

Just regular Ivomec is what you want to use. It will also get rid of the lice. You can also put Sevin Dust on her. Dose at 1cc per 20 lbs orally.

Ivomec Plus is fine for anything but pregnant. There is something in the Plus that isn't good for pregnant goats. Not a guarantee that something will happen because I'm sure people have used it and had no problems. But why take the chance.

I would have a fecal done if I were you to find out what worms she has. If her eyelids are light, then Barberpole is a probability and I would definitely get her started on the Ivomec. But it definitely wouldn't hurt to make sure she doesn't have anything else.

If she is thin, you really do want to work on building her up a bit. When she milks, she will be a skeleton if she is actually thin now. You can give her alfalfa hay and or pellets, beet pulp and even some grain.

I'm not sure what to do about a fecal. I do not know of any vets around here that will do anything for goats. We have a few vets that only do dogs, cats, rodents, and other similar small animals ad then we have a couple strictly horse vets :/ .