Nigerian Dwarf/ Pygmy cross - conformation..? Help please!

[Roll farms]

For what it's worth....
In my case, I mean that as someone who raises boers for a living.

She, her mama, and the kid in the background all look like % boer.

 

[SDGsoap&dairy]

When I say checklist, I mean a list of things to look for, make sure are within acceptable parameters, etc. So, not literally a list to check off.

What do you mean by stacked pictures?

Determining what acceptable parameters are exactly takes a whole lotta experience. That's why we've started showing, to better understand the breed standard.

 

[Livinwright Farm]

I am utterly confused right now... I was expecting responses that she didn't completely conform to the Nigerian standards, but not that she might be a boer cross.... man. What to do with this input..? Is there some kind of goat breed dna test that can be done(like what they have for dogs)?

 

[Livinwright Farm]

For what it's worth....
In my case, I mean that as someone who raises boers for a living.

She, her mama, and the kid in the background all look like % boer.

This is what Marly aka "the kid in the background" looks like now(he has a very thick medium length coat that he inherited from his Pygmy dad).

I'm thinking that I will shave the lot of them down(once it is safely warm enough to do so) and take new pics of all of them once that is done. To make sure that what is being viewed as thick legged, isn't the thick or longer hair.
I will also take new measurements(height at withers, thickness of legs, body length,... anything else?) tonight or tomorrow, and post them up in the morning.
Edited to add: the pic of Marly! ... kind of helps if I actually do that, eh?

 

[Goatmasta]

No DNA test.... What does it matter if your just looking for "a family milker"??? If your looking for something in particular you should consider buying registered animals that have proven genetics to back up the traits you are looking for... For example show results and/or milk test....

I think you secretly want show animals... Admitting is the first step.

 

[Livinwright Farm]

No DNA test.... What does it matter if your just looking for "a family milker"??? If your looking for something in particular you should consider buying registered animals that have proven genetics to back up the traits you are looking for... For example show results and/or milk test....

I think you secretly want show animals... Admitting is the first step.

:/ My family can't afford show quality animals.
I would love it if we could, but it just isn't gonna happen, unless someone wants to give one away. And how likely is that?

 

[helmstead]

You don't need to shave them to prove anything. I look at hairy Nigerians all day long ...I can just tell you that the bone on your goaties is heavier than the bone on a full Nigerian, as is the 'meat'.

You had posted on another thread that you were really only interested in breeding for home milkers, am I right? Well, if that's the case...and you LIKE these does - then what does it matter if they're % Boer?

I had a grade Nigerian doe that was accidentally bred to a Boer buck before I bought her. Her doe kid, while OBVIOUSLY half Boer, milked like a cow (the dam also milks like a cow). Then that half Boer was bred back to a full Nigi buck and made buck and doe twins JUST like your goats here.

There are things you should aim to improve if you're breeding for milk production with these does....which will require a milky-bred buck whos mammary genetics are top notch.

 

[Goatmasta]

I was there once. After a few years of raising grades I realized that show quality goats take the exact same amount of money to keep per year but have 3-4 times the reward $$$

 

[Roll farms]

All I'm saying is it seems your fretting over things you needn't fret over. As long as you're happy w/ them / the milk....what difference does it make whether they fit a standard you're never going to have to compete with, anyway....?

I don't know the measurements of my goats from stem to stern, and don't intend to go measuring them...Feel free to measure all you want to, but it's not going to prove / disprove anything.

I just wondered if they're taller than the avg. Nigerian or not....around 20". Each generation you breed back mini (if there IS any boer in there) will / should revert back to a smaller size.

Traditional boer coloring is very strong, genetic-wise...white body, colored head. You can cross them to nearly any breed and still get...white body, red head.
Boers are generally the only breed (w/ a few rare exceptions) colored that way, so it's not *just* her build throwing 'us' off...her coloring fits, too.

There's just no way to "know" for sure what they are, and you can stare at conformation descriptions until you're blue in the face, it won't change what you've got or lessen their value to you.

 

[Livinwright Farm]

You don't need to shave them to prove anything. I look at hairy Nigerians all day long ...I can just tell you that the bone on your goaties is heavier than the bone on a full Nigerian, as is the 'meat'.

You had posted on another thread that you were really only interested in breeding for home milkers, am I right? Well, if that's the case...and you LIKE these does - then what does it matter if they're % Boer?

I had a grade Nigerian doe that was accidentally bred to a Boer buck before I bought her. Her doe kid, while OBVIOUSLY half Boer, milked like a cow (the dam also milks like a cow). Then that half Boer was bred back to a full Nigi buck and made buck and doe twins JUST like your goats here.

There are things you should aim to improve if you're breeding for milk production with these does....which will require a milky-bred buck whos mammary genetics are top notch.

It matters because I was told that they were pure bred Nigerians, and that all 3 kids were Nigerian/Pygmy crosses. If they are indeed Boer crosses, then that woman flat out lied to us, which makes me

How JUST like my goats are we talkin'? Like, could they be the same ones? I know Maude at least had had a tag in her ear. See pic below(that dark spot/line on her ear is the circular hole & tear out line.

I get what y'all are saying about their frame work, honest, I do... I just don't get how they can have the typical Nigerian ears and be Boer crosses. I mean, their ears are never down. How can that be?