Other dewormers other than 1% Ivermectin from IVOMEC?

[mdavenport0121]

I've been giving IVOMEC 1% orally to my goats, 1cc per50 lbs, over the past few months. I don't want the worms to become resistant to the demormer. What are some other good dewormers out their for goats?

 

[ksalvagno]

Are you deworming on some type of schedule? I would suggest just worming as needed. Also, Ivomec doesn't take care of every type of parasite so you may need another type of dewormer in the future. But you should really do a fecal first to determine what parasites you have so you can treat appropriately.

 

[mdavenport0121]

The vet told me in this part of the world it probably should be done every six weeks or two months. I live in North Texas.

 

[TGreenhut]

I use Molly's Herbal Worm Formula Kit (http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/mollysherbals.php/products/herbal-worm-formula-kit) and it works great! I haven't had ANY worm problems ever since I started using it. But you have to be diligent about using it and follow the directions. Read more about it here: http://www.fiascofarm.com/herbs/mollysherbals.php/categories/worm-formula-detailed-information and on Molly's website. I prefer herbal wormers because they work holistically and for the benefit of you goat instead of chemical wormers which are technically poisons. There is no evidence of worms being able to build up resistance to this herbal wormer.

 

[elevan]

The vet told me in this part of the world it probably should be done every six weeks or two months. I live in North Texas.

I would find another vet. He's contributing to the problem of drug resistant parasites.

Read this article for more information: http://www.backyardherds.com/web/viewblog.php?id=2607-parasite-mgmt

 

[mdavenport0121]

elevan,

what do you think about the herbal dewormer?

 

[Roll farms]

FYI - a lot of the things in herbal dewormers are poisonous....that's why they work.
Wormwood can kill animals over time. (I know it's not in the weekly formula, but she puts it in the 'supplement' that she recommends using when you have a worm outbreak.)
The difference is whether it's a man-made or herbal compound.

And she even admits on her site it won't work if you have a real problem, only as a preventative.

Poison's poison, in my book. I'm going to go w/ the one that works best for me....here with the swampy Spring and wet Fall we have in Indiana, herbal dewormers won't cut it.

Nobody WANTS to use 'poison'...we don't wake up and say, "Let's blow some money on a chemical dewormer and use it willy nilly in our herd just because."

Or if we do....we're not real bright.

Those who live in more arid locations typically don't have huge worm issues unless their animals are immuno-challenged and overcrowded....so they often do have great luck w/ herbal dewormers....because they likely don't have a worm issue to begin with. The main worm that causes losses, barberpole, is very hard to kill because people have been underdosing on a schedule w/out even knowing why they're using it.

Deworming w/ ANYTHING without knowing what worms you're dealing with is a recipe for disaster. I will preach this til the day I die.
I've seen too many goat farms crash and burn around me because people don't want to learn what they need to know -- they want to be told what to do.
I've had countless people say to me, "I dewormed the goat." but they can't tell me what worm they were trying to kill or what dose they used.

http://www2.luresext.edu/goats/training/parasites.html#cont
Scroll down to the 'smart use of dewormers' section.

Better yet, read the whole thing.

I swear to you guys, we rarely deworm our goats. Breed for resistance, have fecals ran, use the right dewormers at the right dose, know your enemy!

 

[ksalvagno]

My personal experience with Molly's Herbs was that it didn't work. I followed her instructions, didn't work. I increased the amount, didn't work. I increased the frequency, didn't work. I ended up with goats with a heavy worm load that I had to use a few different chemical wormers to clear up and it took a few doses. Right now I'm trying Fir Meadows herbal dewormers and just had a fecal taken so I will see if that one works any better. I would say if you want to use the herbal dewormers, use them in between to possibly help prolong the need for the chemical dewormers. Also it is critical that the goat eats the full amount that they need which can be difficult if they don't like it.

I also have a friend who uses Molly's Herbs and she has still ended up with parasite problems and uses the chemical dewormers as needed.

 

[TGreenhut]

Hmmm, I've never heard about how herbal dewormers often don't treat worms in areas prone to worms. Do you think it worked for me because I live in California and it's more arid in this area than others and therefore has less worms?? Sorry for recommending a dewormer that I apparently wasn't as educated on as I should have been! Ugh this controversy over deworming gives me headaches sometimes! There are so many different opinions!

Deworming w/ ANYTHING without knowing what worms you're dealing with is a recipe for disaster. I will preach this til the day I die.
I've seen too many goat farms crash and burn around me because people don't want to learn what they need to know -- they want to be told what to do.
I've had countless people say to me, "I dewormed the goat." but they can't tell me what worm they were trying to kill or what dose they used.

http://www2.luresext.edu/goats/training/parasites.html#cont
Scroll down to the 'smart use of dewormers' section.

Better yet, read the whole thing.

I swear to you guys, we rarely deworm our goats. Breed for resistance, have fecals ran, use the right dewormers at the right dose, know your enemy!

^^^What is said here sounds like the smart thing to do- it makes the most logical sense!

 

[ksalvagno]

The biggest thing with deworming is that you need to know your herd. There are a ton of factors involved like overcrowding, small pasture or just simply how many goats you have. Someone who only has a few goats and gives them a pretty good amount of room is not going to see as many parasites as someone who has a herd of 20 goats with or without space. Climate also does have an affect on parasites. Also length of time you have owned goats. No matter how many goats you have, if you have had goats in the same space for 10 years, I bet you see more parasite problems at 10 years than you did at 2 years. There are plenty of people who feel that herbal dewormers do work but everyone that I know that says the herbals work also only own 2-4 goats and have only been in goats for 1-4 years. When you start getting up even to 8 or 10 goats or over 4 years, that really does change. It never hurts to suggest it but everyone really does need to know their goats individually and fecals need to be done to determine what dewormer should be used. Even Fir Meadow doesn't use the same herbal dewormer for all parasites so you still need to know what parasites you are dealing with.