Parasite Management - OSU Seminars (Goats & Sheep) - F.D. notes pg10

[Roll farms]

Elevan, I hope you don't think I'm hopping in where I don't belong, but I wanted to comment to RTG. Once again I thank you for posting this info. Sorta what I've been standing on a chair and screaming here for 2 yrs but w/ a LOT more detail and explanation.

RedTail, I'm thrilled your boys are pretty clean.

I'd have been shocked, honestly, if you'd said otherwise....w/ as much attention / time out to run and play as they get from you, I'm sure if they had been wormy you would have seen signs....Plus I doubt you're overstocking them on small pasture.

What I want to point out is *if* they did get barberpole somehow, for instance if you took in a rescue carrying it - their FEC could literally go from 'few' to 'deadly' in less than 3 mos. I think the fecals are a wonderful idea (great way to catch the other bugs that won't kill quickly, just cause them to be unthrifty)...but that whole 5 point thing - which eyelids are only part of, and fecals are only part of - is pretty much something I've lived by for the last 10 years....keep an eye on everything, coat, mucous membranes, body score, etc. If you see any changes, have a fecal ran sooner.

Just didn't want you to have a false sense of security if you saw a bad sign and thought, "Well, they just had a fecal 6 wks ago and they were fine....must not be worms."

OK, done being , back to

 

[SDGsoap&dairy]

Not only that, but I don't want my goats to be so anemic their eyelid color is affected before I worm them. I want to treat them well before it gets to that point. Those relying on FAMACHA alone (IMO) are waiting until the animal's health is already compromised to do something for them.

 

[redtailgal]

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[freemotion]

He stole your cows??

 

[elevan]

Yes, thank you! Do you remember anything else about this....was there any more detail on these sentences:

Have either a direct or indirect effect on parasites via secondary compounds such as condensed tannins and sesquiterpene lactones
Condensed tannins have the effect on mineral or protein status of the host. Which can get a by-pass protein effect increasing the protein that is actually available to the animals.

I'm only familiar with the studies done with these substances in humans...the results are pretty amazing and QUICK. But I don't know of any studies done on humans that were wormy!

Supposedly each seminar will provide more information...so hopefully we'll be able to obtain more information on that in the next 2 sessions.

 

[elevan]

Roll - no problem. Jump in whenever you want. That goes for everyone else too. I started this thread to share what I was learning and to hopefully gain additional insight from others too.

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I personally plan to use some alternative condensed tannins within my herd on a couple who are my herd's 20% that carry the 75% worm load.
I'm not gonna grow additional browse as I don't have the equipment to till under my field and plant it.
I'll share my idea here as long as no one tells me that I've lost my mind
I'm going to brew a very strong tea (yes, tea) and drench those particular goats on a weekly basis. I plan to add lemon to the tea to counteract tea's ability to bind iron and prevent it from absorbing. I'll need to provide a calcium supplement as tea also leaches the calcium from the body (in humans...I'm going with the assumption in goats too).
I plan to run my trial for 6 months in only the part of my herd that I've already noticed are my "problem" and see what results are throughout and at the end. I will, of course, share my results with you all.
Those goats that aren't part of the trial will receive a chemical dewormer only if needed.
Wish me luck

 

[redtailgal]

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[elevan]

RTG...we are so long lost "sisters" except I'm a hot tempered German with some cherokee and ute thrown into the mix way back...and believe me I understand dysfunctional and shared land issues (I've been told by some I should write a memoir instead of a cookbook )

 

[Roll farms]

Cherokee, blackfoot, German...and Irish

Temper? What temper? That's just my genetics.....

 

[elevan]

Roll...don't want to make you mad!