Parasite Management - OSU Seminars (Goats & Sheep) - F.D. notes pg10

[redtailgal]

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[elevan]

OK, so on the tannin stuff.

Lespediza grows abundantly around here. Rabbits love it.

Do you think that if it were included in grass hay, it would be beneficial? Or would it need to be fresh?
Gonna have to do some more research...........

The discussion was on using it fresh. But like I said I'm gonna drench with one dried. Mine will be concentrated though :/ It's a good question. You should go back to page 2 and register for the online seminars coming up. NSmithurmond is in Georgia and registered.

 

[cmjust0]

I don't know that it is a new discovery, as it has been on the Sheep 101 site for quite some time, I imagine. It sounds as if a ruminant can indeed "graze" chicory....

Animals can't graze anything but grass, because grazing is the act of eating grass... Browsing is eating weeds, tree leaves, and other forage that is *not* grass -- like chicory.

It's mostly semantic, but at the same time, it's not *just* semantic because goats are natural browsers and barberpole worm eggs hatch out in *grass*.. Not weeds or small trees or chicory.

Putting goats on grass is what causes us most of our parasite problems. If you keep your goats on browse instead of grass -- whether that browse consists of chicory or blackberries or thistle or what have you -- you're *going* to eliminate a whole lot of your parasite problem.

 

[cmjust0]

Ok, so I just read the synopsis. My impression is that it's good information, but they really had no business calling it "New Ways" because I really didn't see anything *new* in there at all.. Like Rolls said, it read like a recap of what several of us have been professing for years.

I do appreciate the fact that he at least mentioned that barberpole eggs don't overwinter well on pasture. Maybe if enough people start collectively realizing that, someone besides me will go "So hey, why don't we just deworm with an effective larvacide in mid-winter?" It's pretty much a no-brainer, but I'm really beginning to think that's going to need to be said in some kind of a seminar by someone with a 'DVM' after their name before anyone will listen or put any research dollars into *proving* it.

Oh well.. Thanks for typing it up, though!

 

[redtailgal]

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[elevan]

Ok, so I just read the synopsis. My impression is that it's good information, but they really had no business calling it "New Ways" because I really didn't see anything *new* in there at all.. Like Rolls said, it read like a recap of what several of us have been professing for years.

I do appreciate the fact that he at least mentioned that barberpole eggs don't overwinter well on pasture. Maybe if enough people start collectively realizing that, someone besides me will go "So hey, why don't we just deworm with an effective larvacide in mid-winter?" It's pretty much a no-brainer, but I'm really beginning to think that's going to need to be said in some kind of a seminar by someone with a 'DVM' after their name before anyone will listen or put any research dollars into *proving* it.

Oh well.. Thanks for typing it up, though!

I think calling it a NEW WAY is just easier for people to swallow than to look at them and say "Hey, farmers you've been doing it wrong and you need to change your ways". People tend to respond better to something that is "NEW" as opposed to being asked to change because they've been wrong to begin with. While I appreciate that you and Roll have been doing this type of thing already, obviously MANY others haven't or we wouldn't have the drug resistance problem to begin with.

This study was done in Ohio and West Virginia and 40 farms in Ohio took part (don't know how many in WV). Since you're already following a lot of this on your farm, why don't you contact your county extension see if something similar is in the works in your state that you could participate in. Or contact the funding partner to find out about grants and possibly run some trials on your farm.

 

[elevan]

Yeah, I tried to register, but we have a cloud in the sky about 5 miles from here and it seems that my internet is terrified of clouds. Service is not great right now (super SLOW). I will try again tonight.

I have a large stand of Lespedizia out here. I will have to check and see if there are different varieties (bet there are) to know what the properties of mine are.

I dont know about chickory though, havent ever really heard of it, so I dont know if it grows around here.

I think I will go into the browse field and get a id on the plants I have in there. There are lots of different plants going on in there, and I am curious now as to what has helpful properties, and besides, now I am curious as to what they prefer to eat and what they leave alone.

As for the grazing field, there are lots of weeds and such growing, some of which I have been pulling as they dont seem to eat them at all, but there are others that they will literally fight over.

This whole thing has got me intensly curious, and now I wonder what my own goats will teach me!

The next 2 online seminars are 8/18 and 8/25 from 7-9pm

I don't know about the lespedizia...

The chicory discussed was called Forage Chicory...the dr said it was related to the roadside blue flowered chicory. Apparently chicory either produces good foliage or good roots depending on the type...you want the type that produces good foliage.

 

[cmjust0]

This study was done in Ohio and West Virginia and 40 farms in Ohio took part (don't know how many in WV). Since you're already following a lot of this on your farm, why don't you contact your county extension see if something similar is in the works in your state that you could participate in. Or contact the funding partner to find out about grants and possibly run some trials on your farm.

Mmmyeah, I've contacted enough "experts" around here to know that I'm pretty much on my own..

 

[Roll farms]

They did siminars sort of like this here in IN last year, ()Relics participated in them / posted a lot of info but not in the detail you have.
They called them "Town Hall" meetings.