SICK AGAIN! My baby was vomiting, coccidia tx dosage needed...

[freemotion]

The fecal showed mostly coccidia.....but I don't know what numbers are "bad" and what are ok. I am seeing more than I normally do. I'm thinking it might be coccidia. Of course it is Saturday night....

 

[()relics]

...I think I said I would have treated for coccidiosis a week ago....coccidiosis can present itself differently in every animal...But that is just my opinion

 

[freemotion]

Yes, you did, and I appreciated the response. It seemed to me that with further info, it wasn't coccidia. She responded to the treatment for frothy bloat. It seemed most likely that she ate something, most likely a bit of mountain laurel. Now I think maybe her weakened state made her ripe for coccidia.

I don't understand treating her for coccidia when she was poisoned....please educate me on your thoughts on this. Would vomiting also be a symptom?

I am not one to use drugs unless it is clearly indicated. My thoughts are that this leads to drug resistance. It seemed that the treatment choice was correct at the time. Thoughts, please.

Also know that I am in tears.

 

[ksalvagno]

If you want to go the drug route, then probably DiMethox if you can get it or Sulmet. I'm pretty sure Sulmet is at TSC but I'm not sure about DiMethox. If you possibly have Corid at home, then you could use that too but I'm not sure of dosage because it is different for goats than I'm used to doing. I believe you give Corid full strength but not sure how many cc's per pound.

If you want to go the herbal route, then I would get her on Golden Seal right away. Probably 1/2cc twice a day. I used the already made tincture though so I'm not sure how much powder to use if you have powder. Do twice a day for 7 days but you must stop after 7 days. I believe that there has to be at least 1 week in between using Golden Seal again.

Cloves work on coccidia but as a prevention. I know my friend gives her goats cloves every day for prevention and Golden Seal when they have a coccidia problem. The cloves is 1 teaspoon a day for a Nigerian Dwarf.

 

[freemotion]

I would love to try the herbal route but have no golden seal. That will likely be harder to find locally tomorrow than the meds!

I think now that it is both doelings. I just went out there and it is the larger doeling with the very dirty tush. I didn't even suspect her of being sick as she was her usual pushy self at evening chores, shoving her sister and running around, trying to get the best bites of everything.

I saw no normal poo in the stall just now, and cleaned it by flashlight and put down fresh straw. It will be obvious by morning as to who is doing what, I think. They were both up and curious and hungry just now.

Now I don't know which doeling's fecal exam I ran. I'll have to assume both are sick with the same thing. I thought coccidia was a problem in wet weather, and here we are in a drought!

 

[ksalvagno]

Coccidia really can rear its ugly head any time. At least in my experience. I would treat both little ones for coccidia, even if you don't run a fecal on the other one. Especially since they share a stall and hang out together.

 

[helmstead]

I agree that you treated appropriately in the beginning, and that illness set them up. Kids under 6 months get cocci blooms...it just happens.

This is why everyone with young goats needs to have a full bottle of DiMethox 40% on hand all the time!

Do not give Pepto. If you have SafeGuard, you can begin dosing this daily using it as an antiprotozoal until you can get your hands on some SMZ-TMP or DiMethox or Albon. CoRid will work, at a very high dose, and TSC does carry that. Dose the safeguard for at least 5 days. I would also dose them both up with B Complex and Nutridrench.

 

[Roll farms]

This is why everyone with young goats needs to have a full bottle of DiMethox 40% on hand all the time!

Amen! Preach it, Sister Kate!

No matter how much a natural approach is preferred, a living and healthy goat is the ultimate goal....

 

[freemotion]

Sigh....for the record, people, I am happy to use meds when needed, I am just not anxious to be throwing meds at myself or my animals at every hiccup. There is a reason why goats are so weak nowadays, and why hospital surgical suites have had to be permanently shut down......drug resistance.

However, I am not such a silly thing that I won't use any med needed to treat myself or my animals. And I will completely give up my naive ideals if necessary to have healthy goats. I'll toss those ideals right in the trash if I find that I can't do otherwise. The health of my animals comes first.

Ok, hope the record is straight now. Now everyone please be nice in PM's, too.

Back to our regularly scheduled program:

The doelings are bright and eating and the worst one (according to her messy butt last night) was dropping close-to-normal pellet poo, which was a huge relief. I was worried that I would wake up to another round of stall-washing and babies coated with stinky goo. So it seems I have a little time. Without my microscope, it would have been Monday or Tuesday before I got fecal results from a vet. So happy I purchased it.

So this morning I will go to TSC and get Corid, if they don't have DiMethox. Sounds like they don't. Will the label give me correct dosages?

Where do I get DiMethox if not at TSC, and how about CD anti-toxin, while I'm at it? What else, if I'm making an order?

Thirty-five years ago my family kept a few dairy goats. No one ever got sick and died. No one got minerals or dewormed or medicated feed. One baby broke her leg and that was the only premature death. My ideal is to get back to that. Not that I wouldn't feed minerals or deworm my goats....just sayin'.

 

[helmstead]

TSC usually has CD antitoxin in the fridge. DiMethox is on backorder last I checked at Jeffers.com, but they still have it at several other online catalogs like Valley Vet and Hoeggers.

CoRid dose, OFF LABEL, undiluted right out of the bottle is 6.25 cc per 25 lbs for 5 days. You read right.

Get probios while you're there, and give this daily while they're on the CoRid.

I'm glad they're acting better! Yes, goats have changed over the years...so we've had to change our husbandry practices. I'm sorry that some aren't being NICE here...you guys...keep it supportive. I know many of us have tried the natural route and seen it end in sadness - but I believe it still has its place with those who are willing as freemotion is to pull out the chemical guns to supplement it when needed.

PS Ammonia kills cocci, so you can treat your barn with an ammonia water wash and spray your goat's yard with ammonia to help get your soil loads down.