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Sommrluv said:
This makes me want to go live in the woods on a mountain somewhere.



With guns.
I also agree.

Big Ag business is absolutely terrifying; the article mentions the movie "Food, Inc." which is a fabulous but highly disturbing movie about the agriculture business in the US. It's spiraling out of control (or is it into control??) and has NO system of checks and balances. They can do what they want, how they want, and when they want to. When there's an outbreak of e. coli in their hamburger or salmonella in their poultry, do people stop to think about how those animals are treated? These mass animal manufacturers should treat these animals the best they possibly can; after all, they feed the most people, right? Shouldn't americans care about what they eat? It's ridiculous that most don't; so what if the beef I'm eating came from a cow that had a diet that it was never able to properly digest? So what if the chickens on the table were confined to the smallest of cages and fed until they couldn't walk??
The ag business isn't what really makes me mad; it does, but I guess it's the fact that people who attack the rural farmers totally overlook the big business (one of the benefits of being unchecked, I guess). It's all "OH YOU EVIL EVIL PERSON RAISING ANIMALS FOR CONSUMPTION HOW COULD YOU!!!" And then, no matter how well your animals are treated/cared for/housed, it's not enough. Your livestock are treated cruelly, fed poor diets, and live in "deplorable" conditions. :he
PETA (who I have a large problem with) has attacked, or attempted to, big ag before, with little coming from it. So instead of working towards getting rid of actual animal abuse and mistreatment, they go after us little folk. They've been to fairs here *harassing* children who have taken market animal projects (like pigs, chickens, steers, turkeys, ducks, sheep, goats, rabbits, etc).
"Do you think you're treating you're animal with kindness and compassion?"
"How do you think your animal feels knowing that you're sending it to it's death?"
"How could you treat your animal this way?"
"How could you be so CRUEL??"
I'm not talking older kids who may actually be able to defend themselves, I'm talking young kids who have cared and cared for these animals and more often than not, get upset when they think about their animal being a meat animal. So they attack these kids, usually making them cry. This past week they were at our fair video taping (and harassing a parent of a 4-Her who is confined to a wheelchair) the "conditions" the animals were in. They don't see the work the kids do keeping those pens clean. They don't see how hard they work keeping the animal clean (like the steers getting almost daily baths) and always always always have clean fresh water and food.
Oh no, it's "those pens are so small just like jail cells for the animals to sit and await their deaths!!"
:somad
These animals were raised from the very beginning for consumption. They were raised with love and with care. They were raised responsibly. There is NO viable reason to attack small farmers, animal owners, or 4-Hers. These are people who think they know and don't. These are people who feed into big ag business and don't care. So what if they're vegan! If they buy veggies from a grocery store, it's the same thing. The hypocrisy in these "humane" organizations drives me up a wall. :smack
They need to keep their brown noses out of my barn and coop. It's my property and they're my animals. I have every right in the world to raise them for family consumption, showing, pets, breeding, whatever.
Sorry about the rant, this stuff just pushes all of my buttons. Every single one. It's terrifying that the government holds so much power and lets organizations like HRS have so much power. Pretty soon we're all going to be :duc and that's not a comforting thought.
 

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Don't forget the ammo. Oh wait, they, the government are counting that now too. Glad I know how to reload.;)
I buy primer's 100,000 at a time these days. I am certain I am on some kind of govenrment watchlist but rural KY is a great place to hide from the feds. Please don't think I am some kind of nut stockpiling by the millions. I shoot competetivly and go through that many in a year.

My city friends all say they are heading to my place when the zombie apoclypse comes. I remind them they had better not come empty handed and be ready to work because I have no problem shoving a loafer out into the cold cruel world.
 

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crazyturkeydesigns said:
Sommrluv said:
This makes me want to go live in the woods on a mountain somewhere.



With guns.
I also agree.

Big Ag business is absolutely terrifying; the article mentions the movie "Food, Inc." which is a fabulous but highly disturbing movie about the agriculture business in the US. It's spiraling out of control (or is it into control??) and has NO system of checks and balances. They can do what they want, how they want, and when they want to. When there's an outbreak of e. coli in their hamburger or salmonella in their poultry, do people stop to think about how those animals are treated? These mass animal manufacturers should treat these animals the best they possibly can; after all, they feed the most people, right? Shouldn't americans care about what they eat? It's ridiculous that most don't; so what if the beef I'm eating came from a cow that had a diet that it was never able to properly digest? So what if the chickens on the table were confined to the smallest of cages and fed until they couldn't walk??
The ag business isn't what really makes me mad; it does, but I guess it's the fact that people who attack the rural farmers totally overlook the big business (one of the benefits of being unchecked, I guess). It's all "OH YOU EVIL EVIL PERSON RAISING ANIMALS FOR CONSUMPTION HOW COULD YOU!!!" And then, no matter how well your animals are treated/cared for/housed, it's not enough. Your livestock are treated cruelly, fed poor diets, and live in "deplorable" conditions. :he
PETA (who I have a large problem with) has attacked, or attempted to, big ag before, with little coming from it. So instead of working towards getting rid of actual animal abuse and mistreatment, they go after us little folk. They've been to fairs here *harassing* children who have taken market animal projects (like pigs, chickens, steers, turkeys, ducks, sheep, goats, rabbits, etc).
"Do you think you're treating you're animal with kindness and compassion?"
"How do you think your animal feels knowing that you're sending it to it's death?"
"How could you treat your animal this way?"
"How could you be so CRUEL??"
I'm not talking older kids who may actually be able to defend themselves, I'm talking young kids who have cared and cared for these animals and more often than not, get upset when they think about their animal being a meat animal. So they attack these kids, usually making them cry. This past week they were at our fair video taping (and harassing a parent of a 4-Her who is confined to a wheelchair) the "conditions" the animals were in. They don't see the work the kids do keeping those pens clean. They don't see how hard they work keeping the animal clean (like the steers getting almost daily baths) and always always always have clean fresh water and food.
Oh no, it's "those pens are so small just like jail cells for the animals to sit and await their deaths!!"
:somad
These animals were raised from the very beginning for consumption. They were raised with love and with care. They were raised responsibly. There is NO viable reason to attack small farmers, animal owners, or 4-Hers. These are people who think they know and don't. These are people who feed into big ag business and don't care. So what if they're vegan! If they buy veggies from a grocery store, it's the same thing. The hypocrisy in these "humane" organizations drives me up a wall. :smack
They need to keep their brown noses out of my barn and coop. It's my property and they're my animals. I have every right in the world to raise them for family consumption, showing, pets, breeding, whatever.
Sorry about the rant, this stuff just pushes all of my buttons. Every single one. It's terrifying that the government holds so much power and lets organizations like HRS have so much power. Pretty soon we're all going to be :duc and that's not a comforting thought.
:thumbsup :clap :bun

You rock!

x2
 

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I might never ever leave this discussion board. I could mention a desire for semi-reclusive living AND firearms and I'm not run out on a board! :D

To be fair, it runs in my blood. My father left Arkansas for the "big city" and lived outside Philadelphia for a while...and than retreated back to a mountaintop in Arkansas at the end of a rather confusing dirt road.
 

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Sommrluv said:
I might never ever leave this discussion board. I could mention a desire for semi-reclusive living AND firearms and I'm not run out on a board! :D

To be fair, it runs in my blood. My father left Arkansas for the "big city" and lived outside Philadelphia for a while...and than retreated back to a mountaintop in Arkansas at the end of a rather confusing dirt road.
:welcome

We have our differences of opinion and occasionaly things get out of hand. But for the most part we all agree that everyone should be able to live as they choose.
 

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Sommrluv said:
I might never ever leave this discussion board. I could mention a desire for semi-reclusive living AND firearms and I'm not run out on a board! :D

To be fair, it runs in my blood. My father left Arkansas for the "big city" and lived outside Philadelphia for a while...and than retreated back to a mountaintop in Arkansas at the end of a rather confusing dirt road.
:woot

You rock!

x2
LOL, thanks! Usually when I get started about this sort of stuff people tell me to get off my soapbox :old
 

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Well, I'm really happy to be going to the big local "grange fair" this weekend in PA, where I will see all sorts of proud 4H's showing off their years work.

Maybe I'll even find some rabbit breeders looking to sell stock. We might bid on a market lamb this year.



I'm shocked and angry about people attacking kids at fairs...but I think I'm even more just sad that I'm NOT surprised.

Running into people who tell me that animals that look like they are happy, it is really because they have Stockholm syndrome. Seriously? My college major was psychology and I have a hard time comparing the brain of a human to that of an animal.

I'm a huge proponent of knowing what you're eating has lived a happy life and has eaten healthy food....and what's at the grocery store hasn't.
 

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Sommrluv said:
Well, I'm really happy to be going to the big local "grange fair" this weekend in PA, where I will see all sorts of proud 4H's showing off their years work.

Maybe I'll even find some rabbit breeders looking to sell stock. We might bid on a market lamb this year.



I'm shocked and angry about people attacking kids at fairs...but I think I'm even more just sad that I'm NOT surprised.

Running into people who tell me that animals that look like they are happy, it is really because they have Stockholm syndrome. Seriously? My college major was psychology and I have a hard time comparing the brain of a human to that of an animal.

I'm a huge proponent of knowing what you're eating has lived a happy life and has eaten healthy food....and what's at the grocery store hasn't.
:th
Just...wow. Wow wow wow. Just goes to show that people will make up just about any excuse to stir up trouble where there isn't any. :idunno
 

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I just want to say I completely disagree with the way things were handled in that six bells rabbit raid and confiscation. Rabbits shouldn't be fixed and adopted off without a judge's order or ruling. Searches shouldn't be made without warrants. And I disagree with the philosophy of the HRS.


But they just released this pictures and it makes me start to wonder about the validity of the complaints against bell.

I'm not familiar with Angora's at all, so I have no idea if that's a normal amount of matting or not. It does look like the cages or bowls haven't been cleaned in a while, and not everyday as I read in one article.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-slide...rning-graphic-20110817,0,7690396.photogallery


I'm newer to rabbits, so I'd love some input as to whether that's reasonably expected type of build-up if you're doing an all out cleaning once a week, or what.

My chicken coop gets dust on my fan, as in the picture shows,if I miss a saturday cleaning, so probably about every 14 days. If I'm not in there cleaning and de-dusting, it will literally look like no human has touched the place. Not sure if that's dust from the birds, the feed, the hay, or whatnot. I do the outside runs every three days. So those pictures I don't find "deplorable" but I'm hesitant about the rest. I've been reading here much longer than I've been a member so I value everyone's opinion here.
 
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