This morning.... Coyote

[bcnewe2]

Was this an area where your lgd's can't get to? I can't imagine anything getting to your...well anything with all the guarding you got going on there. Scary. How many sheep do you have now? Can you put them in with your goats at night? I've been bringing mine into the barnyard at night cause it's to cold and we're lambing. On Christmas eve Jesse wasn't around to be put up with them. By the time I got home she was in then paddock with her lambs. Can't keep her away from doing her job!
Nice job from DH. I've never seen a coyote mouth up close..."what big teeth you have" even for something not so big.

 

[kinder]

Messed her hole day up

 

[AshleyFishy]

She was just over 30 lbs and estimated at 1-3 years old.
The males here generally don't get much larger than 45 lbs.
Her teeth were rather impressive though. Closer to my German Shepherds mouth structure. Her pelt was very full and clean... she no doubt has been feeding well off the young deer.

Wow a coyote under #100 around here is skin and bones. Are you coyotes mixed with something else or are ours?

 

[Bossroo]

 

[Southern by choice]

At 100 lbs I would imagine yours are crossed probably with wolf. The red wolf here in NC (coyoye /wolf hybrid really) in around 75 lbs or so.
As small as these guys are they really do some damage. 2-3 of these can bring down a very large deer buck easily. My DH has a coworker that got home (last year) to find her horse foaling in the pasture... the coyotes were already eating the foal before it was out... damage done was extensive. Horse was euthanized.
In our immediate vicinity they are usually small packs of 3-5. Numbers are increasing though.
DS went hunting this am... lots of noise but didn't see them... we are watchful and just wait.

 

[Southern by choice]

The land the sheep are on is behind our land (leased) the goats are sometimes there also, problem is ... the LGD's are not fond of the people ... so no dog. We are considering keeping a pup and raising it up over there so it will be friendly with them.

The dogs we have now are not very fond of the sheep... these are goat dogs that love their goats... the sheep are horribly mean to the goats and the dogs often are getting between the goats and the sheep. The sheep are terrified of the LGDs and always have been... the dogs never bother the sheep but they are not really part of the herd. We have had the sheep for 1 year now and they just will not adjust to the dogs, or goats for that matter... they run frantically. They ram the goats constantly and are separated now so they don't ram a pregnant goat. We put the sheep in with some large Kiko bucks and they are much more distant... they don't dare ram the Kiko bucks... on the other side Callie is highly bonded to her bucks so she cannot be with the sheep because she will not allow them to mess with the goats. Somethings just don't work out the way you thought. Sheep They are better by themselves but I don't think they will ever accept a dog.

 

[Pioneer Chicken]

At 100 lbs I would imagine yours are crossed probably with wolf. The red wolf here in NC (coyoye /wolf hybrid really) in around 75 lbs or so.
As small as these guys are they really do some damage. 2-3 of these can bring down a very large deer buck easily. My DH has a coworker that got home (last year) to find her horse foaling in the pasture... the coyotes were already eating the foal before it was out... damage done was extensive. Horse was euthanized.
In our immediate vicinity they are usually small packs of 3-5. Numbers are increasing though.
DS went hunting this am... lots of noise but didn't see them... we are watchful and just wait.

Wow, that's terrible! Feel sorry for that coworker coming home to that. Must've been heart-breaking. Looks like your DS got a real good shot! Great photos, too. : )

 

[Kitsara]

I've known someone who started putting their Pyr pup out with the baby lambs (supervised of course) in the creep. I'm sure he had started smelling like lamb after they all tended to congregate around him while they slept. The ewes of course weren't' sure of him, but the lambs loved him. To the consternation of their mama's.

Though it's something I'll keep in mind. Since I plan at some point to get sheep as well and was figuring on running them all together. Maybe I'll start with bottle lambs.

Coyotes have been getting pretty bad in places around here. In the city, there was a guy attacked by three of them while walking to work n the morning. Not normal behavior.

 

[bcnewe2]

Interesting, being a sheep person I found goats hard to handle! Have you lambed on your place? Would it be better if you lambed, raised them till weaning then got rid of the adult non lgd crazy sheep you have and start with lambs that will be used to dogs and goats? I've seen them kept together but the land was large and they just stayed as separate flocks. But I can't imagine my sheep butting anything, running but not butting much at all. They hardly butt Jesse for messing with their lambs. Some do and she is learning.
What breed do you have? I have found St. Croix a peaceful bunch. I don't own them anymore as they are slow growers but sensible was a huge plus. My Dorper crosses are not runners unless they get spooked. They are worked regularly with stockdogs but it took a while for them to get used to the LGD. Not a year though. Barbado's and any crosses of those in my experience stayed jumpers and runners. Not sure but I think the painted desert sheep are built of those lines. Beautiful but not suited for management with dogs. IMHO.
I've had a few breeds of wool. Cheviots and crosses of such plus huge blackface Suffolk but they were huge and the wool wasn't worth anything. Boy did they gain though. I would like to put one breeding of them in with my hair sheep just for the fast growth.
I'm glad you have dh for backup LGD guarding and hopefully they will be reminded to stay away and take your place off their radar.
Good luck Southern....Now you have to keep a puppy for the sheep...darn the luck!

 

[Southern by choice]

We only have 2 sheep. A Jacobs ewe and Jacobs wether. No breeding. They are for my DD she works with the wool. They are not people aggressive in any way and mostly come up only for a treat, they are easily managed on a halter. They hate goats and dogs. Our goats are more like dogs... they give kisses, follow us around, will come when their name is called...easy.
Actually it is my son that hunts and keeps predators under control.
Dh