Update on the Buck with dumb owner...**UPDATE**

[BrownSheep]

If I were you I would a) give her back the buck but call the ASPCA and inform them of how inept she has been. I would also cut all ties. I thought this lady sounded looney when you post about the original breeding deal. She sounds like a me me me sort of person. If you can I would also consult a lawyer briefly. That breeding contract probably won't be much help in court. You purchased after you returned him to her correct?

This is such a sucky situation.

 

[Catahoula]

Of course, if he were wethered... Nah....

You always crack me up with your 'brilliant' ideas!

It is probably too late to say he was ran over by a car...or died in any ways... She would probably want proof of death. At best, you can up the price and try to give her one last offer to buy him. Otherwise, you really have no choice but to return him...with $50 for stud fees. Unfortunately the contract is her protection.... Yes, the situation sucks but that's part of reality. I would also cut all ties with her. There will always be stupid people who keep and abuse animals. You can't save them all. I am really sorry.

 

[Queen Mum]

You need to just take him back and be done with it. Pay your breeders fee. There isn't anything you can do about it at this point. You are going to have to write this one off as a painful lesson learned.

Even if you were right about what you said, you shot yourself in the foot when you insulted the lady's handling of her animals and now she doesn't want to sell the buck to you. I've been down that road a number of times recently. The fact is, it doesn't matter how right you are. It doesn't matter if the woman is bad at taking care of her animals. She is determined to set you up to be the villain. You can't fight people like that. They are mean and underhanded. They will always see you as the bad guy because they are unable to see their own participation in the problem.

Just let it go and be glad it isn't worse. And know that you will have some nice kids to carry on your bucks bloodlines.

 

[SkyWarrior]

You need to just take him back and be done with it. Pay your breeders fee. There isn't anything you can do about it at this point. You are going to have to write this one off as a painful lesson learned.

Even if you were right about what you said, you shot yourself in the foot when you insulted the lady's handling of her animals and now she doesn't want to sell the buck to you. I've been down that road a number of times recently. The fact is, it doesn't matter how right you are. It doesn't matter if the woman is bad at taking care of her animals. She is determined to set you up to be the villain. You can't fight people like that. They are mean and underhanded. They will always see you as the bad guy because they are unable to see their own participation in the problem.

Just let it go and be glad it isn't worse. And know that you will have some nice kids to carry on your bucks bloodlines.

I agree.

 

[ksalvagno]

I agree with the others. Take the male back and report her to the ASPCA. Take pictures of her animals and her farm if you can.

 

[Queen Mum]

Reporting her to the ASPCA won't do any good. The animals have to be nearly dead to do any good on that account. I know, I've been there. I reported my first landlord who took wretched care of their animals and had animals dying every single week. The authorities did NOTHING! They wouldn't even go take a look. AND I sent pictures. Plus, these people had a previous history with the SPCA. But because they were farm animals, the standards for abuse were different.

It was terribly frustrating.

 

[aggieterpkatie]

I'd be tempted to just send her the check for $200 and see if she cashes it. If she does, she can't take you to court. If she takes you to court, worst that'll happen is you'll have to give the buck back. I doubt she'd go through the hassle of actually taking you to court. And if she does, then submit a bill for all the care you've given him while you had him (vaccines and such you said she'd cover).

 

[EllieMay]

You need to just take him back and be done with it. Pay your breeders fee. There isn't anything you can do about it at this point. You are going to have to write this one off as a painful lesson learned. Even if you were right about what you said, you shot yourself in the foot when you insulted the lady's handling of her animals and now she doesn't want to sell the buck to you. I've been down that road a number of times recently. The fact is, it doesn't matter how right you are. It doesn't matter if the woman is bad at taking care of her animals. She is determined to set you up to be the villain. You can't fight people like that. They are mean and underhanded. They will always see you as the bad guy because they are unable to see their own participation in the problem. Just let it go and be glad it isn't worse. And know that you will have some nice kids to carry on your bucks bloodlines.

. So true.

 

[Peep_Show]

Your contract was for a breeder's lease and replacement value; there was nothing in there about purchasing the animal outright. That is not part of the contract as it's not a lease option to buy. The only valid reason for you to send a check for $200+ is IF something happened that rendered the animal useless (i.e. death, mutilation, contagious disease).

Let's liken this situation to something tangible of, oh, say, art. The Deadbeat Museum has a painting that you'd like to display in an exhibit for awhile. You agree to a renters fee of $50 and a replacement value of $200 should something happen to the painting. You are entitled to display the picture to your heart's content. It's a nice picture. You like it. In fact, you find out your grandmother painted it. At the end of your period of rental, you want to keep the picture. NO! That would be depriving the person of their property. The bottom line, it IS their property. Just because you want it and it is in your possession does not mean it's yours. Should the picture perish in a fire or get stolen, your contract makes the Deadbeat Museum curator whole per contract. Keeping picture because you covet it is rather unethical, no matter how much you dislike the Deadbeat Museum's curator who doesn't keep a tidy museum and doesn't have near the appreciation of the painting as you do.

Per contract law, you need to return the animal in same or better condition than when you received him. Sorry. Not the answer you want to hear. Document all the care you gave the goat, whatever you paid for medications, etc., and chalk it up to the cost of doing business to maintain the animal to your satisfaction. When you return the animal, play nice to the owner and offer to buy it then when the animal is back in her possession and when she says "NO!" ask her to keep you in mind. But do not act like you're entitled to the animal or you will have no chance in heck of her ever doing business with you. Situations change and in the future she might become desperate to unload the animal....and if you leave the door open, you might get first dibs.

Having run breeding contracts in both goat and horse circles I can tell you it's a small world and integrity is everything. Take the high road. You did right by the goat while it was in your possession. Do not create a situation where you have to defend yourself (especially in court). Those that have to deal with Madam Deadbeat have her number and really won't pay much cotton to what she has to say if they've had half the headache you have in their business dealings with her. And, please, don't attempt any payment-in-lieu shennanigans unless the animal is damaged OR both sides agree to the purchase. Holding onto an animal while waiting for her to perhaps cash the check (and especially if she doesn't) just reeks on your part. Play it fair and square. You'll probably win in the long run.

 

[allanimals21]

Like I said the purchase agreement was made over the phone. Then she apparently called and bad mouthed me to some other breeders who said to take me to court. Its funny because I guarantee she didn't mention her plan with her does. Or that his collar was to tight, or how he was thin. But tahts fine. I can be the bad guy. The last moron like her I dealt with was out of business withing a year or so. She will learn the hard way. We are going to discuss possible purchasing of him. I plan on having her sign an agreement for $250 like we discussed and I will have him gone by Jan 1st like had been discussed at a different point. Along with having a witness there to sign also. I will be putting in some calls to some animal welfare people also. I have been istructed to do so by a vet. He's going back thursday and with any luck her does won't come into heat. I didnt bad mouth her animals or really. I just told her the facts that she doesn't know what she is doing. She needs to learn how to properly care for them before she should be breeding.