Baymule
Herd Master
A full belly usually relaxes them, they get to standing 3 legged and it is easier to take hold of things. LOL There is a trick to making them drop, but I don't know what it is. My old gelding knows the signs so well, (bucket, rag, sponge, water hose) that the "behind the eyeballs" really means something. Just don't let go!