What time of year do Pygmy goats have kids?

[no nonsense]

I guess I am not reading the same things some of you are. The sympathy was offered up, then some people suggested things that others found dangerous, and now a few of you are taking offense? No one in this thread beat up anyone, geesh folks we are all adults right? Are the word police here so ignorant, or self centered that they have to pick on people. Advice is free, take it or leave it, ignore it, but at least have the good sense/common decency to say thank you and move on. Too all of you who look for things to bunch up your panties, I say "Well bless your heart".

Exactly.

I read the question as "will I be able to find a baby this time of year?" Not: "What time of year can I breed my next goat?"

I see your point, but either way, it wouldn't have changed my answer. I was trying to prevent the same thing from happening to another goat, and to spare the owner from going through another devestating tragedy.

The outpouring of support was very touching, but I didn't see one person try to help her with practical advice to try to prevent it from happening again, except kimmyh. If the way this is supposed to go is that we all have to think emotionally rather than rationally, then to put it another way, I didn't see one person advocating for the animals. I'm not trying to beat up on anyone, but since others have made it into something else, how fair is it to enable someone to go ahead and repeat the same mistake, with no more intent to try to prevent it from happening again, than to just "keep a closer eye out for the dang dogs"? How many of you would sell one of your own animals into this situation? Where's the comon sense?

Sorry, this is a flat medium, and I am bothered by the tone a thread here can appear to take when someone suffers a tragedy.

As you pointed out yourself, we all read things differently depending on how they're phrased. Your interpretation and your reaction is your issue, not someone else's.

Advice is free, take it or leave it, ignore it, but at least have the good sense/common decency to say thank you and move on. Too all of you who look for things to bunch up your panties, I say "Well bless your heart".

This just bears repeating.

To put it another way, for those who lean this way, you can feed a man now by giving him a fish, but you can fed him for a lifetime if you teach him how to fish.

BUT, we all need to take the advice that is given to heart, it is for the best

Not all of us are adults. I am, but I really don't act like one most of the time.

And that, I'm afraid, may be the crux of the issue.

 

[cmjust0]

we are all adults right?

Not all of us are adults. I am, but I really don't act like one most of the time.

A good friend of mine always says "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."

I like that attitude.

Of course, that's the same good friend who once said to me "Your optimism is a reflection of your ignorance."

 

[freemotion]

If someone can watch a dog kill their pet and not then see the need to protect the next one from the same mistake, then a few sentences typed here are not really going to make much difference.

A time and a place, is all I am saying. This was the time for sympathy, not a slap. I agreed with all the concepts, just not the timing nor the tone. Make a sandwich. Serve advice between two compliments, or in this case, sympathy. If you feel that you must give advice at a funeral.

I can only imagine what some of you would say to a parent who just lost a teenager to drunk driving. You would have to protect that parent's other children, after all.

 

[big brown horse]

Well said free!

 

[cmjust0]

I can only imagine what some of you would say to a parent who just lost a teenager to drunk driving. You would have to protect that parent's other children, after all.

Okay, but I think we can all agree that a baby goat is less in control of its own safety and welfare than a teenage human.

To me, a more apt analogy would be to say that you can only imagine what some of us would say to a parent whose three year old just wandered off a cliff.

Personally, if I knew the parent personally...I'd probably express my condolences and silently wonder how the hell they could ever let that happen.

Now, if I were an adoption counselor who just heard such a story from a prospective client....that's a whole different ballgame. The audacity alone would warrant an earful, in my opinion.



Here's the thing...to some, this forum seems to be viewed as a place where goat people can come together and celebrate the little victories and mourn the failures together, ideally in a very non-judgmental way. To others, this forum is seen as a place where goat people can come get advice about what to do and what not to do in order to help ensure the welfare of their animals.

While those two views certainly aren't mutually exclusive, it's threads like this one where we see who's on which side of that particular fence..

I tend more toward the goat side of it than the human side, where if helping the animal means occasionally stepping on human toes...well, that's invariably what ends up happening. If you look through the comments, it's pretty easy to see who shares that outlook and who doesn't.

Anyone who's willing to take that mindset into consideration as they're reading the comments would, I think, begin to see them as being more about objectivity than petty aggression and nose-rubbing.

That's just my opinion, though.

 

[no nonsense]

I can only imagine what some of you would say to a parent who just lost a teenager to drunk driving. You would have to protect that parent's other children, after all.

Okay, but I think we can all agree that a baby goat is less in control of its own safety and welfare than a teenage human.

To me, a more apt analogy would be to say that you can only imagine what some of us would say to a parent whose three year old just wandered off a cliff.

Personally, if I knew the parent personally...I'd probably express my condolences and silently wonder how the hell they could ever let that happen.

Now, if I were an adoption counselor who just heard such a story from a prospective client....that's a whole different ballgame. The audacity alone would warrant an earful, in my opinion.



Here's the thing...to some, this forum seems to be viewed as a place where goat people can come together and celebrate the little victories and mourn the failures together, ideally in a very non-judgmental way. To others, this forum is seen as a place where goat people can come get advice about what to do and what not to do in order to help ensure the welfare of their animals.

While those two views certainly aren't mutually exclusive, it's threads like this one where we see who's on which side of that particular fence..

I tend more toward the goat side of it than the human side, where if helping the animal means occasionally stepping on human toes...well, that's invariably what ends up happening. If you look through the comments, it's pretty easy to see who shares that outlook and who doesn't.

Anyone who's willing to take that mindset into consideration as they're reading the comments would, I think, begin to see them as being more about objectivity than petty aggression and nose-rubbing.

That's just my opinion, though.

Well put, for the most part, however the truly apt analogy would be to wonder what some of us would say to a parent whose second child just fell off a cliff, and who said: "Well, I guess I better keep a closer eye on the third." The answer: nothing, because at that point the child welfare people would be having the conversations with her.

Freeemotion, it's your opinion that this was a time for sympathy. Mine is that the time for sympathy was when the chickens were killed, not after the goat got killed by the same dogs known to have access to the animals. Be that as it may, I don't wish to continue to have to bring up examples to use to defend my outlook, out of consideration for the original poster, so I'll let it drop here. Just reread the previous post, and try to understand that we all have different ways to approach these issues, and my view is not wrong simply because it is different from yours, or because you disagree with it.

 

[chandasue]

So sorry to hear... Our neighbor's 4 prized hunting dogs got into my coop once while I was out feeding them, they came in right behind me and managed to kill 5 of them. My animals are now double fenced... The chickens have a run, the goats have a larger run, AND we now have a 6 foot privacy fence that runs most of the way around our back 2 acres. Expensive but worth it to keep those bastards out. (Pardon my French...) I used to love dogs but not so much anymore...

 

[cmjust0]

Well put, for the most part, however the truly apt analogy would be to wonder what some of us would say to a parent whose second child just fell off a cliff, and who said: "Well, I guess I better keep a closer eye on the third." The answer: nothing, because at that point the child welfare people would be having the conversations with her.

Exactly!

From here on out, everyone should probably just think of me (and possibly a few others) on here as GPS officers -- Goat Protective Services.

I think that might actually help our more sympathetic members understand where we're coming from when we seem to be coming down on someone who just did something that endangered their animals.

 

[freemotion]

Hmmm.....I wonder why BYH has so few members, and can't hang onto new ones?

 

[FarmerChick]

that is just horrible.

We have farming in the blood, we know how to protect our livestock...mostly....something will always attempt to eat your livestock and it will happen to all of us.

Goats are prey. Simple. So we must take the measures to truly stop the predators...and neighbor dogs are a biggie.

Sorry for your loss. I know, been there.

BUT it means better protection for your livestock in the future.

Life is for learning. You learned alot as we all do and time to hit google and find that good fencing and next time, don't shoot in the air, shoot the dog. Once a predator knows the dinner buffet area, they come back.

it is rough with animals....we all know that. Hope you get another and everything goes fine for you.