Buck with snotty nose, crusty eyes and scours-update 9-22

[jodief100]

Diez has got a snotty nose. It is white snot and not a huge amount. He "snuffles" when he breathes, but it doesn't sound rattely. His eyes are all gooby with white crusties. He is scouring, very runny but not liquid, light brown and no more odiferous than normal. Temp is 103 F.

I gave him LA 200 and Vit B SQ. I drenched him with spectomycin and neomycin. I cant seem to find my dosage chart so if someone can tell me what they use as a dose on LA 200 and B12 that would be appreciated.

Does anyone have any other suggestions? The vet cant get here till Saturday and I would rather avoid that if possible. I found this great vet but since he has a new practice he still has to work at another clinic on Thursdays and Fridays to pay the bills.

 

[20kidsonhill]

coccidiosis causes brown very runny poop, and can cause them to look sick with a cold. I would consider treating with sulfa-dimethoxine. along with the anitbiotic.


LA 200 is 1 cc per 40lbs

B 12 depends on which strength you have, but you can't over dose on it. I give 2cc of B 1000 couple times a day.

The spectomycin and neomycin will probably clear up the scours with out using the sulfa, but if it comes right back or doesn't get better I would consider switching to sulfa.

 

[Roll farms]

I would probably just hit him w/ Nuflor 1x a day (3cc per 100#) for at least 5 days, Probios, and a B shot. Maybe some vet RX on his nose.

I currently have 5 snotty kids. The weather change is what I'm blaming it on. I'm letting them go for now, b/c they don't have a temp and are acting fine (eating, pooping ok, and playing) and I'd rather they fight it off on their own....but I'm checking their temps daily and watching for 'off' behavior. If that happens, they'll get Nuflor or excenel.

 

[20kidsonhill]

I don't think you can do Nuflor for a few days, since you gave them LA 200. But not positive on that.

 

[Roll farms]

I don't bother w/ LA200 (never had any luck w/ it) but I've never seen it written you can't use Nuflor w/ oxytet. Pen G, no...Nuflor I dunno.
I guess that'd be good info to have if that is the case, though.

 

[cmjust0]

Im gonna 2nd the motion for dimethox.. I know he's an adult, but I recently had a buck that developed a scour and I just kinda went...meh...prolly nothing...even though it was brown instead of green. Within the next day or two, he'd lost a considerable amount of condition and was basically on the brink, so I hit him with:

Vit. B
Bo-Se
Dimethox
Spectinomycin
BioMycin
Cydectin
Safe-Guard
Red Cell

The vitamins were because he was due for selenium anyway and that tends to be a perker upper, as is vit. b.. The dimethox is because I had another situation that looked eerily similar to this one in an adult buck and dimethox was the only thing on the above list that I *didn't* do...and that one died...so I did it. The Spectinomycin was just in case it was a bacterial gut thing.. The BioMycin was in case it was a bacterial gut thing that was going systemic.. The Cydectin and Red-Cell was because his eyelids were basically white, although he'd been dewormed and I was 99.9% sure he was whited out from dehydration.. And the Safe-Guard was in case it was a *gut* worm -- as opposed to stomach worms like barberpole, which rarely cause a scour -- such as a tapeworm, even though I felt it unlikely to be tapes.. And plus I've just got it in my head that Safe-Guard works better against gut worms in general, which may or may not be true. It's true in my head, though..

And then, after all that, I went back to the house and waited for him to die. The next morning, he was out warming up in the sun. I did all that again (minus the Bo-Se).. The next morning after that, I didn't see him, so I went looking and found him clear on the other side of their pen, by himself, eating like it was going out of style. All the scour he had on his hiney had dried and was flaking off.. And the coolest part was that even though he's generally kinda skitty and I'd stuck him with needles left and right and shoved some pretty nasty stuff down his throat, he actually came over to me and wanted me to pet his head.



So, long story short...though I have no idea which of all that did the trick, I have a funny feeling it was the dimethox, and it's not going to hurt anything to try it on your buck, so I'd definitely do it if I were you.

 

[jodief100]

Im gonna 2nd the motion for dimethox.. I know he's an adult, but I recently had a buck that developed a scour and I just kinda went...meh...prolly nothing...even though it was brown instead of green. Within the next day or two, he'd lost a considerable amount of condition and was basically on the brink, so I hit him with:

Thanks Chad, what would be the dosage of Dimethox on a 125 lb, 18 month old buck?

 

[Livinwright Farm]

Diez has got a snotty nose. It is white snot and not a huge amount. He "snuffles" when he breathes, but it doesn't sound rattely. His eyes are all gooby with white crusties. He is scouring, very runny but not liquid, light brown and no more odiferous than normal. Temp is 103 F.

I gave him LA 200 and Vit B SQ. I drenched him with spectomycin and neomycin. I cant seem to find my dosage chart so if someone can tell me what they use as a dose on LA 200 and B12 that would be appreciated.

Does anyone have any other suggestions? The vet cant get here till Saturday and I would rather avoid that if possible. I found this great vet but since he has a new practice he still has to work at another clinic on Thursdays and Fridays to pay the bills.

Snuffles and runny eyes... Not sure about in your area, but: I know in New England there have been a lot of allergies in goats this year... primarily due to dust(pine, hay, and dirt)... the gummy nose seems to go away with Children's Benadryl(liquid) in a week's time.

As for the moderate scours... it could be cocci... or something along those lines... but it could just be that that one buck got into something that the other goats didn't. Make sure to give electrolytes and get some probiotics into him.

 

[jodief100]

Make sure to give electrolytes and get some probiotics into him.

Forgot the electrolytes! Thanks Livinwright!

 

[cmjust0]

Im gonna 2nd the motion for dimethox.. I know he's an adult, but I recently had a buck that developed a scour and I just kinda went...meh...prolly nothing...even though it was brown instead of green. Within the next day or two, he'd lost a considerable amount of condition and was basically on the brink, so I hit him with:

Thanks Chad, what would be the dosage of Dimethox on a 125 lb, 18 month old buck?

It's 25mg/lb on day one, then I think most folks cut that in half for days 2-5.. I tend to go full bore for 3-5 days, personally.. In any case, day one total dose 3,125mg.. The 12.5% drinking solution is 125mg/ml, so you'd use 25ml of that, right out of the bottle. The 40% injectable is 400mg/ml, so 7.81ml of that...aka, 8ml..lol If you've got powder or boluses in different strengths, just go by that 25mg/lb base dosage and you can do the math from there..