Buck with snotty nose, crusty eyes and scours-update 9-22

cmjust0

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Hmm.. I'm really trying, but I'm still not seeing it.. :lol:

Think of it this way: She used Cydectin, but threw in some ivermectin too, just because. If there were worms in there which were susceptible to either ivermectin or Cydectin, *either one* will kill them.. If there are worms in there which are not susceptible to ivermectin, but are susceptible to Cydectin, the Cydectin will kill them.. So, in a sense, throwing ivermectin on top of Cydectin may be a bit like throwing matches on a fire..

Now, the only way I can see that she might build resistance by combining the two is if she were to have done a regular dose of ivermectin (and by regular, I mean goat regular...like, 1ml/20lbs by mouth, or whatever still kinda works on a given farm) and then added *just a dash* of cydectin at the end.. In that case, there may be ivermectin-resistant/moderately-Cydectin-susceptible/partially-Cydectin-resistant worms in there which survive the ivermectin, but also survive the *underdosing* of Cydectin and go on to make six hundred and fifty two million thousand bazillion little baby worms with the same characteristics.. Which is to say, all you really managed to do was kill what few ivermectin-susceptible worms there were, and all the *weakest* of the Cydectin-susceptible worms, and left the stronger of the Cydectin-resistant worms to repopulate.. Whereas, has the dose been adequate, it perhaps would have killed far more of the moderately-Cydectin-susceptible/partially-Cydectin-resistant worms and left only the very strongest -- but in far fewer numbers. Of course, leaving the strongest behind will always lead to resistance, and there's really nothing we can do about that except for leaving as few of them as possible..

In any case, though, I don't gather that a dash of Cydectin was the case here.. I gather the case was a double dose -- a full load of ivermectin, and a full load of Cydectin -- which is really no different at all from giving a full load of Cydectin alone, in terms of building resistance.

And hey, ya never know...maybe there was an oddball worm in there that was resistant to whatever it is that makes Cydectin work a little better, but was still susceptible to plain ol' ivermectin...and she killed it. :)

I kinda really seriously highly doubt it :lol: but ya never know..
 

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He is doing better. Eating his grain and drinking fine. He is getting hard to catch. I got home late since I had to pick up Roi' and stop at TS so I couldn't follow him around for a half an hour to watch him poo so I am not certain how his scours are. His hiney seems a little "drier" I guess is a good word for it.

The girls at TS LOVED Roi'! But who can resist?
 

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Well he is doing much better. He is pooping dog logs, which is an improvement. He has also been running the fence line trying to steal Bullet's girls from him. I have been continuing with probios, Red Cell and electrolytes every evening. I think he likes the Red Cell.
 

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I've got 2 goats that like the taste of Red Cell....the others make me look like I've been in a blood bath cause I end up with it all over me for fighting with them to take it. :rolleyes:
 

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Got the results of the 10 day fecal on Deiz. 97% reduction. :weee

He is looking much better, pooping what appears to be milk duds, though I doubt they are as tasty.

Happy to know my wormers still work! Deiz may be ready for breeding here in a few weeks.
 

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Great News on Deiz. Glad he's on the road of getting rid of those nasty worms. Also great news for you, knowing what you have figured out for your herd is working as you planned. I'm understanding that its actually an art to figuring it out worming so as not to cause a tolerance, because all goats are individuals and you really need to know your herd. Congratulations! Thanks for sharing. :)


eta: Can't wait for the great news of Deiz pending fatherhood. :fl
 
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