Buck with snotty nose, crusty eyes and scours-update 9-22

[Livinwright Farm]

If you don't have injectable Vitamin B, then you can pick up a bottle of Vitamin B complex, Vitamin B12, and most importantly Vitamin B1! Get a pill cutter and cut each pill/tablet into 4 pieces, then crush into powder either using a mortar & pestle or the bottom of a glass in a bowl You can add 1/2 scoop of probiotic powder(I prefer using Goats Prefer Probiotic Power { click this to view label info } , since it has a lot more of the good bacteria ), then add a teaspoon of water, suck into a 3 ml syringe and drench goat.
Vitamin B1 is their most essential vitamin aid for proper rumen function btw.

 

[jodief100]

I didn't worm him. His eye color was good, not great but he was a little dehydrated. I was giving him B shots along until 2 days ago when his appetite returned.

I have a message into the vet now to get a fecal. Other than the scours he is doing well.

 

[cmjust0]

I haven't known gut worms to really affect their eye membrane color that much...not like a barberpole would, anyway. I've had goat before that just had the squirts off and on, but they had good eye-membrane color and good appetites, etc., but either continually came down with the squirts or had a case that just wouldn't...go...away...so, even though it went against what we know about keeping **barberpoles** in check, I'd deworm. Just because I didn't know what else to do..

And it would work.

And then I'd be left to wonder what the heck just happened..

Indeed, watching those goats clear up after being dewormed is what prompted me to really think and learn about and understand the difference between stomach worms and gut worms.

 

[jodief100]

I ran a cup of goopy poo over to the vet. Lets see what he has to say. He asked a lot of questions to get the background.

Lets hope he finds something.

 

[Roll farms]

Yup...Barberpole rarely causes the runs, but others will...so if an adult who hasn't had a dietary change gets the poops here, I deworm 'em.

 

[jodief100]

It's worms. Lots and lots of nasty worms. I dosed him and will redo the fecal in 10 days.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Livinwright Farm]

It's worms. Lots and lots of nasty worms. I dosed him and will redo the fecal in 10 days.

Thanks for your help!

What kind of worm? Did the vet say?
Along with the chemical wormer, if there are any evergreens(Pine, Spruce, Hemlock) around you, they are natural dewormers, let him have free access to them(or cut off a few branches a day and let him nibble on them) for 3-5 days.

 

[jodief100]

The vet said strogyle type worms, most likely barberpole. It takes a bigger lab than his to differentiate. I am confused. His eye color was still good and his FEC was OVER 16,000 .

I guess he is resiliant. I will be FAMACHA checking everyone this weekend, giving him another double dose of combined Cydectin/ivermectin and get another fecal next week.

I let myself get distracted by the respiratory issues and assumed the scours were related. Bad me! I need to be

Will ceder trees work? We have tons of those.

 

[Roll farms]

I've never had a confirmed case of Barberpole cause scours, and Barberpole are (supposedly) easy to differentiate. Hmmmm.

If I were guessing, I'd guess brown stomach worm. I've had that cause the poops (confirmed via fecal).

Probably, the lowered immune system from the worm load helped compromise him and let some 'minor' URI thing take over.

That's why I always check ANY 'sick' animal for worms...they should be able to fight off most 'common' bugs, and one sick animal in a herd full of healthy ones (at least here) usually means they've got a secondary problem.

 

[20kidsonhill]

I have had a couple barber pole worm cases with bad scours. What threw me off is you said the poop was brownish and normally with barber pole the poop will be blackish in color.

Do you have anything stronger than safegaurd for wormers? Like valbazene or synanthic. Ofcourse you can't use valbazene on your pregnant goats.