CL in pregnant doe?

[Straw Hat Kikos]

I'm not even going to read this thread because I know I'll have to sit here again to the hundredth time and type up all about CL.

I WISH people would do the research before they tell "facts".

CL is ONLY, ONLY, transmitted thru DIRECT oral contact with the puss. Only other way it can be passed is thru an open cut; in other words it must enter the body. The CL puss is help in an abscess until it bursts. So lets think about this a second. A goat with CL can't pass it on until the puss has left the abscess be it thru it bursting or it being lanced by you. Can't be passed thru milk unless somehow some of the puss someway got to where a kid was nursing or drinking milk. Not passed thru milk people, ONLY thru direct oral contact.

DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START STATING FACTS. PLEASE!

It drives me crazy to see so much misinformation about everything.

 

[sprocket]

I'm not even going to read this thread because I know I'll have to sit here again to the hundredth time and type up all about CL.

I WISH people would do the research before they tell "facts".

CL is ONLY, ONLY, transmitted thru DIRECT oral contact with the puss. Only other way it can be passed is thru an open cut; in other words it must enter the body. The CL puss is help in an abscess until it bursts. So lets think about this a second. A goat with CL can't pass it on until the puss has left the abscess be it thru it bursting or it being lanced by you. Can't be passed thru milk unless somehow some of the puss someway got to where a kid was nursing or drinking milk. Not passed thru milk people, ONLY thru direct oral contact.

DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START STATING FACTS. PLEASE!

It drives me crazy to see so much misinformation about everything.

Not sure which comment you're referring to so I'll expand on my suggestion to catch the kids at birth and bottle feed. I wasn't suggesting that CL was transmitted via nursing. My reasons for pulling kids from CL positive does is to reduce the chances of physical contact that will end up transmitting CL to the kids. Apologies if I wasn't clear.

 

[OneFineAcre]

I'm not even going to read this thread because I know I'll have to sit here again to the hundredth time and type up all about CL.

I WISH people would do the research before they tell "facts".

CL is ONLY, ONLY, transmitted thru DIRECT oral contact with the puss. Only other way it can be passed is thru an open cut; in other words it must enter the body. The CL puss is help in an abscess until it bursts. So lets think about this a second. A goat with CL can't pass it on until the puss has left the abscess be it thru it bursting or it being lanced by you. Can't be passed thru milk unless somehow some of the puss someway got to where a kid was nursing or drinking milk. Not passed thru milk people, ONLY thru direct oral contact.

DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START STATING FACTS. PLEASE!

It drives me crazy to see so much misinformation about everything.

Not sure which comment you're referring to so I'll expand on my suggestion to catch the kids at birth and bottle feed. I wasn't suggesting that CL was transmitted via nursing. My reasons for pulling kids from CL positive does is to reduce the chances of physical contact that will end up transmitting CL to the kids. Apologies if I wasn't clear.

 

[Southern by choice]

Straw your post was rude.... I know you have written over and over on the subject but sometimes when a subject isn't on the site for awhile then that info gets lost.

It does not help the original poster either.

One Fine- not called for either.

We all have good and bad days.... Straw works almost 15hrs a day 6 days a week...he is grouchy and tired. Just forgive him and move on...


For the poster- Once the lump starts to lose the hair on it , it will soon burst. It is much better to do a controlled lance then a burst only because you can keep the contents confined easier. Clean it easier too. I gave your situation some thought as to how you might confine in an area that would be safe for the future. The only thing I could come up with is maybe 4 cattle panels to form a pen. Tarp down before lancing. Gloves, bleach bottle, iodine. I have dealt with many abscesses in the canine world...it is kinda gross but you will get through it. When the skin is real stretched and it is about to burst the animal doesn't feel the lancing...so no worries there. Having another person help you would be good so you can squeeze the caseous out the other person can hold something to catch it in and wipe it off.

I also know this is probably very stressful for you right now. Take a breathe, it will be ok.

 

[OneFineAcre]

Straw your post was rude.... I know you have written over and over on the subject but sometimes when a subject isn't on the site for awhile then that info gets lost.

It does not help the original poster either.

One Fine- not called for either.

We all have good and bad days.... Straw works almost 15hrs a day 6 days a week...he is grouchy and tired. Just forgive him and move on...


For the poster- Once the lump starts to lose the hair on it , it will soon burst. It is much better to do a controlled lance then a burst only because you can keep the contents confined easier. Clean it easier too. I gave your situation some thought as to how you might confine in an area that would be safe for the future. The only thing I could come up with is maybe 4 cattle panels to form a pen. Tarp down before lancing. Gloves, bleach bottle, iodine. I have dealt with many abscesses in the canine world...it is kinda gross but you will get through it. When the skin is real stretched and it is about to burst the animal doesn't feel the lancing...so no worries there. Having another person help you would be good so you can squeeze the caseous out the other person can hold something to catch it in and wipe it off.

I also know this is probably very stressful for you right now. Take a breathe, it will be ok.

Southern, I like your style.

Your a good person

 

[alsea1]

With all that has been said, for me peace of mind would be to not have a CL positive goat to deal with.

If you missed a lump and it burst before you found it. Oh my.

 

[Rose N Lynne Farm]

She is one of my favorite does and I will do everything I can for her until she kids, and once she kids she has a good home to go to as a pet only. The people understand what CL is and they will lance the abscess if it appears again, and when it is ready. I refuse to cull any of my animals unless they are in pain and/or terminal with a illness that causes a slow and painful death. I do not just cull because a goat has a few contagious lumps, I would at least try to find her a good home with caring people, and people who understand what is wrong with the goat.

I will lance the abscess once it is ready and inject it with formalin, and then once she kids the kids will be pulled and we will send her to her new home after a few days.

I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but I just have the best interest in mind for her. I don't see why she can't live as long of a happy life as she can. This shouldn't be her death sentence.

 

[Southern by choice]

Ok..gonna step out a bit here. Please do not use the formalin. It is used more often in the lump to dry it out and it is extremely painful, it is also a poison. Lance then use alcohol and iodine.

I agree with you... this is not a death sentence nor does it mean she will ever have another lump.

So sorry you are having to deal with this.

 

[Straw Hat Kikos]

Hey not trying to slam anyone. Just wish people would do the research on more stuff.

Ok for your CL issue. CL is NOT a big deal. It really isn't a big deal. It's easy to care for and does no harm really.

Real quick, no injecting it with anything esp. formalin.

Let me go read all your posts so I can help you out with this CL issue.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

She is one of my favorite does and I will do everything I can for her until she kids, and once she kids she has a good home to go to as a pet only. The people understand what CL is and they will lance the abscess if it appears again, and when it is ready. I refuse to cull any of my animals unless they are in pain and/or terminal with a illness that causes a slow and painful death. I do not just cull because a goat has a few contagious lumps, I would at least try to find her a good home with caring people, and people who understand what is wrong with the goat.

I will lance the abscess once it is ready and inject it with formalin, and then once she kids the kids will be pulled and we will send her to her new home after a few days.

I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but I just have the best interest in mind for her. I don't see why she can't live as long of a happy life as she can. This shouldn't be her death sentence.

Just from what I've heard/ read and how I understand it, the word "cull" doesn't necessarily mean to kill. It means to remove from your flock/ herd/ ownership etc. So in a sense by finding a new home for her you are culling her from your herd.