Cocci Prevention / Treatment Thread

[Snowhunter]

I just wanted to pop in and mention the farm I got my 2 LaMancha/Nubian goats from uses CoRid for thier cocci prevention, on all thier kids, regardless.

Here, we don't. Do I have meds on hand if we have an outbreak? Yes. We are trying to build up a resistant herd of goats, so things are on a case by case basis, as needed. Would we go to a preventative program if necessary? Yes, but I hope we never have to. I won't let my animals suffer needlessly, but ones that don't do well with our methods of husbandry won't be here long. I love my goats, but gotta keep our overall/long term goals in mind as well.

 

[Hillsvale]

I think like everything else a hands on approach is best, my vet tested her feces, why is it so hard to understand and or believe that a trained professional who examined a sample and gave me the meds and suggested follow-up could be wrong. No offence intended but I would rather take hands on in person diagnosis and treatment than a herd owner who is on the other end of a computer. I value this site and appreciate the thoughts of others but I'll take someones trained personal advice first for the health of my various herds.

Good luck to you then. (coming from a trained professional goat producer)

Obviously if you are a trained professional and a herd owner there is a difference between that and that of the average backyard owner (such as myself) and as mentioned I wasn't trying to offend and love the advice which helps me determine where to turn next (or whether I am panicking needlessly). I was trying to clarify to Elevan that I believe trained advice is best and if its in person (testing comes to mind) it most certainly better than on line. It just makes sense to take the advice of the vet who was personally dealing with my issue than someone on line who was not. Honestly if I had someone locally who had the experience that many of you do whom I could have called on, who deal with little goaties on a daily basis then that is a whole other proposition again

 

[helmstead]

Obviously if you are a trained professional and a herd owner there is a difference between that and that of the average backyard owner (such as myself) and as mentioned I wasn't trying to offend and love the advice which helps me determine where to turn next (or whether I am panicking needlessly). I was trying to clarify to Elevan that I believe trained advice is best and if its in person (testing comes to mind) it most certainly better than on line. It just makes sense to take the advice of the vet who was personally dealing with my issue than someone on line who was not. Honestly if I had someone locally who had the experience that many of you do whom I could have called on, who deal with little goaties on a daily basis then that is a whole other proposition again

The problem you will come around to seeing is that vets have less of a vested interest in really studying goats - because until VERY recently, goats were a 2nd class livestock, rarely owned as pets and as such, VETS get about 1 week on them in school. Seriously. Other than the vets who service BREEDERS who self-fund studies on parasites - most vets just turn to their outdated Goat Medicine book for dosages, etc. (you can buy your own for about $100 on Amazon)

So, in most cases, you're better off calling a seasoned producer in Texas than you would be hanging on the advice of your average vet.

Everyone here is here to HELP. Poo pooing their willingness to do so - offense intended or not - does not make any of them feel better about taking the TIME to type out replies.

 

[helmstead]

I am sure I will have kids someday lol.

So I should have the di-methox on hand as well as? Deccox or Rumensin too? Do I need sulfa too?

Right now I have 3 does that I believe are pregnant and in late stages probably due in July/August.

Should I use any of these on them now? Is it safe for pregnant goats?

They don't have diarrhea but I have another thread under feeding goats section named iron....and I thought the 2 boer does gums looked a bit pale not terribly bad just not as pink as my toggs. I have wormed some in May and this last sat. but both times with horse paste. I used ivermectin the first time x2 their weight for the dose. The safe guard I just did a few days ago I did that x3 their weight.

I do plan on getting some ivermax pouron here soon.

I did get an iron supplement yesterday from my vet that I will be also giving the next few days also.

They all seem fine and don't seem sick. Poop is pellets and normal looking.

If your goats are not clinically sick...NO, you don't need to treat them for cocci. It's quite normal to see cocci on a fecal for adult goats.

Deccox & Rumensin are found in medicated feeds. Adults can be given these, more important for kids though. Dimethox IS a sulfa.

Your anemia problem is more likely worms, which are not treated with any of these products.

 

[Hillsvale]

Obviously if you are a trained professional and a herd owner there is a difference between that and that of the average backyard owner (such as myself) and as mentioned I wasn't trying to offend and love the advice which helps me determine where to turn next (or whether I am panicking needlessly). I was trying to clarify to Elevan that I believe trained advice is best and if its in person (testing comes to mind) it most certainly better than on line. It just makes sense to take the advice of the vet who was personally dealing with my issue than someone on line who was not. Honestly if I had someone locally who had the experience that many of you do whom I could have called on, who deal with little goaties on a daily basis then that is a whole other proposition again

The problem you will come around to seeing is that vets have less of a vested interest in really studying goats - because until VERY recently, goats were a 2nd class livestock, rarely owned as pets and as such, VETS get about 1 week on them in school. Seriously. Other than the vets who service BREEDERS who self-fund studies on parasites - most vets just turn to their outdated Goat Medicine book for dosages, etc. (you can buy your own for about $100 on Amazon)

So, in most cases, you're better off calling a seasoned producer in Texas than you would be hanging on the advice of your average vet.

Everyone here is here to HELP. Poo pooing their willingness to do so - offense intended or not - does not make any of them feel better about taking the TIME to type out replies.

I am fully aware that everyone here is here to learn and help, I am one of them nor am I poo pooing anyone I am simply stating that first hand treatment certainly must be better than via a computer when none of the clinical testing, pictures and whatever else may be helpful for diagnoses. The fellow I found is a large animal vet who has taken interest in goats... one of the few here I might add because they are becoming so popular. I can't imagine that anyone would dismiss a trained individuals personal clinical diagnosis and treatment plan in favour of this wonderful web site with people who are not seeing the testing completed, if that is offensive then so be it however if someone took offense to that then I would percieve them as unrealistic. Would you have a diagnosis on yourself with tests which substantiate a treatment, medications ert in favour of a wellness website where they don't have access to your tests?

Anyway, I have commented before that I appreciate your obvious knowledge Helmstead and will continue to read your posts and responses but this back and forth is taking away from Elevens OP and I respectfully bow out of this thead and keep my comments to myself to preserve this threads intent.

Thanks all especially Eleven who started this invaluable thread, I am sorry for my part in having it deviate from your intent.



Shelley

 

[elevan]

@ elevan you mean low or long?

LOW...I fixed it. Thanks!

 

[elevan]

Hillsvale - I hope that you're still reading this thread despite having "bowed out" from the discussion. Let me explain where I was coming from if I may...I was sick personally and my doctor who is very good was having trouble figuring it out...sent me to specialists and ordered tons of tests and nothing came back with any remarkable results. I turned to the internet and did some research on my own...went back to my doctor with a test that I wanted him to run. He was insulted that I would do something like that but ran the test. I was right. Diagnosis was made and medication was prescribed. I'm doing much better. Moral of this story? Just because they are a trained doctor (or vet) doesn't mean that they can't overlook something...doesn't mean that they won't get something wrong. Sometimes it takes the patient (or the producer) to widen the horizon and look for more answers.

Again I meant no offense in questioning your vet. You gave us your test results when you said what your vet found. Each person on this forum brings a different level of experience to the table...and sometimes imo experience or just plain dumb luck at times can be more valuable than education.

Now...back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

 

[arabianequine]

@ elevan you mean low or long?

LOW...I fixed it. Thanks!

Don't be confusing me like that.... thats what I thought though.

 

[elevan]

@ elevan you mean low or long?

LOW...I fixed it. Thanks!

Don't be confusing me like that.... thats what I thought though.

It's called Happy Finger Syndrome...

 

[Hillsvale]

Hillsvale - I hope that you're still reading this thread despite having "bowed out" from the discussion. Let me explain where I was coming from if I may...I was sick personally and my doctor who is very good was having trouble figuring it out...sent me to specialists and ordered tons of tests and nothing came back with any remarkable results. I turned to the internet and did some research on my own...went back to my doctor with a test that I wanted him to run. He was insulted that I would do something like that but ran the test. I was right. Diagnosis was made and medication was prescribed. I'm doing much better. Moral of this story? Just because they are a trained doctor (or vet) doesn't mean that they can't overlook something...doesn't mean that they won't get something wrong. Sometimes it takes the patient (or the producer) to widen the horizon and look for more answers.

Again I meant no offense in questioning your vet. You gave us your test results when you said what your vet found. Each person on this forum brings a different level of experience to the table...and sometimes imo experience or just plain dumb luck at times can be more valuable than education.

Now...back to our regularly scheduled discussion...