Cocci Prevention / Treatment Thread

[ladyfarmer10]

Thanks every one.This treatment will also go into my little notebook on my goats.
Thanks Again

 

[Pearce Pastures]

Liquid CoRid 9.6% (undiluted) @ 2.5cc/10lbs for 5 days It is listed along with other meds we use on my blog for anyone who may want to look.

Just curious, but the book I got on goats says to not use CoRid on goats-any guesses as to why not (I mean other than it, like many meds, are labeled cya for cattle)? I just started on Dimethox 40% and it is my first time doing any kind of preventative treatment for kids so just trying to broaden by knowledge base here.

 

[Our7Wonders]

I believe Corid is usually not the first choice of many because it can cause goat polio, - that is it blocks or depleats thiamine in some way. That, and it's reported to not be as effective. Others on here have reported success with it. Because it CAN cause issues and I have access to di-methox I've chosen to go that route. If it's all that was available I would certainly use it - I think cocci will kill a goat much quicker than the thiamine issue - especially if you're aware that it can be an issue and be ready to treat with thimine when the course of cocci treatment was all done. If I remember right you can't treat with thiamine while giving Corid because it would make the corid ineffective. And I know in order for the corid to work it is usually doses at much higher amounts than the label states.

 

[Goatmasta]

Dimethox 40% is my first choice. However, sometimes I do use CoRid 9.6% (undiluted), and on occasion I use them both together.
As far as CoRid causing polio in goats, I believe it is a myth, you would have to give half the bottle to one goat in a short amount of time. It just isn't that dangerous.

 

[elevan]

Dimethox 40% is my first choice. However, sometimes I do use CoRid 9.6% (undiluted), and on occasion I use them both together.
As far as CoRid causing polio in goats, I believe it is a myth, you would have to give half the bottle to one goat in a short amount of time. It just isn't that dangerous.

Wouldn't giving vitamin B at the same time as CoRid be counter productive?? I think I remember seeing helmstead comment something like that a while back...and I recently saw someone post that they gave both (CoRid & VitB) at the same time as treatment...

 

[Roll farms]

I have read 1st person accounts where people who keep corid in the water (large boer herds) long term to protect different-aged weanlings / kids have had a noted increase in cases of goat polio. I can understand how that happens....and I see no reason why they would have lied about it.
Who knows what dosage they used? If I remember correctly, they'd been on corid daily for 2+ mos. when it started happening. The vet told them to stop the corid and they gave everyone thiamine, and the herd improved.

I can also see how someone who only uses it on occasion would not have any issues.

As for giving thiamine at the same time, corid inhibits B vitamin absorption (that's what kills the cocci) so you do NOT want to give B vitamin at the same time, theoretically you're feeding the cocci what it needs to survive...you can supplement w/ B vitamin after treatment is over.

 

[Pearce Pastures]

Thanks for all the great info!

 

[Goatmasta]

I have read 1st person accounts where people who keep corid in the water (large boer herds) long term to protect different-aged weanlings / kids have had a noted increase in cases of goat polio. I can understand how that happens....and I see no reason why they would have lied about it.
Who knows what dosage they used? If I remember correctly, they'd been on corid daily for 2+ mos. when it started happening. The vet told them to stop the corid and they gave everyone thiamine, and the herd improved.

I can also see how someone who only uses it on occasion would not have any issues.

As for giving thiamine at the same time, corid inhibits B vitamin absorption (that's what kills the cocci) so you do NOT want to give B vitamin at the same time, theoretically you're feeding the cocci what it needs to survive...you can supplement w/ B vitamin after treatment is over.

My experience is that putting CoRid in the water as a treatment is not effective and the only result might be polio. Generally the window of opportunity for cocci is between 3 wks - 3 months, since the kids should be on a bottle(or dam) for at least 8 weeks and generally they don't drink much water until weaning, putting CoRid in the water is not worth the time or money. If CoRid is used as I suggested, it would be near impossible for a goat to get Polio from it. If you have a bad enough case of cocci that you feel like you need to treat goats that consist of a wide range of ages, you should be using a much better cocci med than CoRid. If you are simply trying to keep cocci numbers in check, you should use a medicated feed, especially in a boer herd.

 

[elevan]

Does anyone have experience with this drug for cocci treatment?

Brand Name: Marquis

Available as 150 mg/gram oral paste for equine, canine and feline formulas. Must be compounded.

Background

Coccidia are single-celled organisms that attack intestinal cells and cause a potentially life-threatening diarrhea. Most mammals and birds can be infected, pets and livestock alike. Some species of coccidia can be transmitted to humans. The traditional medications are called coccidiostats, meaning that they interfere with coccidian reproduction. Coccidia are not killed by these medications but stopping reproduction buys time for the host's own immune system to respond and have fewer organisms to defeat. The host depends on a competent immune system to cure the infection and the time required to remove the infection is dependent on the number of organisms the host has when treatment begins.

Ponazuril represents a new approach to treatment. Ponazuril actually kills the coccidia, which makes for a faster response to treatment and a shorter course of therapy. The problem for dogs and cats is that ponazuril is manufactured for horses and comes in a paste that is impractical for small animal use. The paste can be diluted and used orally in dogs and cats. It is common for animal shelters and other areas where coccidia are common to automatically treat puppies and kittens at intake.

How this Medication is Used

The compounded formula is given orally for 1 to 5 days.

Side Effects

Horses sometimes get an upset stomach or even a rash around the mouth where the medication is delivered. (In horses, ponazuril is often given for 28 days as their target parasite requires a longer course.) So far this medication has not been formally studied in small animals despite its wide use in shelter situations.

Concerns and Cautions

Ponazuril has not been studied in pregnancy, even in horses.

It is our policy not to give dosing information over the Internet.

Date Published: 9/8/2008 10:19:00 AM

 

[Roll farms]

I have read 1st person accounts where people who keep corid in the water (large boer herds) long term to protect different-aged weanlings / kids have had a noted increase in cases of goat polio. I can understand how that happens....and I see no reason why they would have lied about it.
Who knows what dosage they used? If I remember correctly, they'd been on corid daily for 2+ mos. when it started happening. The vet told them to stop the corid and they gave everyone thiamine, and the herd improved.

I can also see how someone who only uses it on occasion would not have any issues.

As for giving thiamine at the same time, corid inhibits B vitamin absorption (that's what kills the cocci) so you do NOT want to give B vitamin at the same time, theoretically you're feeding the cocci what it needs to survive...you can supplement w/ B vitamin after treatment is over.

My experience is that putting CoRid in the water as a treatment is not effective and the only result might be polio. Generally the window of opportunity for cocci is between 3 wks - 3 months, since the kids should be on a bottle(or dam) for at least 8 weeks and generally they don't drink much water until weaning, putting CoRid in the water is not worth the time or money. If CoRid is used as I suggested, it would be near impossible for a goat to get Polio from it. If you have a bad enough case of cocci that you feel like you need to treat goats that consist of a wide range of ages, you should be using a much better cocci med than CoRid. If you are simply trying to keep cocci numbers in check, you should use a medicated feed, especially in a boer herd.

Well, *I* know all that, I was just 'splainin' how it could happen, (think Ricky Ricardo) b/c you'd said cocci causing polio was a myth.
Believe it or not, there are Boer / meat goat people who would laugh us / our methods ("us / our" being collective pronoun-not you specifically- for the 'dairy' or more hands-on approach a lot of us posters here use) off of their message boards. They don't touch the kids born on their farm unless they're tagging / weighing / loading them. If 20 or 30 a year die (out of hundreds of kids), that's just part and parcel of the biz....And just like w/ this board, there is a lot of not-exactly-accurate info floating around on boer boards.

Emily, I've seen the name pop up here and there...never heard of anyone actually using it, just trying to get info on it.