Cocci Prevention / Treatment Thread

[ksalvagno]

I was just giving an example. Just because a drug works at a certain dosage for you, doesn't mean that the same drug doesn't work at a lower dosage for me. If Ivomec is working succesfully for me at 1cc per 50 lbs, then why would I change that? Just like Safeguard doesn't work for many people anymore but it is still working on my farm and I know because I did fecals before and after.

 

[arabianequine]

@ hillsvale

Just wondering in hindsight would a higher dose helped save the twin that passed away...or was it already too late by the time you got the vets?

@ elevan you mean low or long?

 

[Hillsvale]

Hillsvale, with you being in BC, there is probably a different dosage with the drugs. I think if you talked to different people around the US, you would probably find different dosages and those dosages work just fine for them. Getting dosages from the internet is a great way to start but I would verify with your local goat vet or very knowledgeable breeder. Hey, if in your area, Ivomec still works at 1cc per 50 lbs, why dose at 1cc per 25 lbs!

The reason you wouldn't dose @ 1cc/50lbs is resistance. That is why safe guard is no longer effective.

I want clarification for this thread...
Goatmasta - are you saying that you too believe that Hillsvale's vet recommended too long of a dose?...

How about I answer something that suits me well, first off resistance happens as a result of repeated underdosing meds to a living thing whether human or animal. I am a strong proponent of resolving issues naturally and don't randomly medicate my animals because someone else tells me that my goat, pig, sheep... whatever is XYZ age and I must administer (name your med).

The twin is doing very well, she is happy, active and her poops are pellets for the first time since I got her. I think like everything else a hands on approach is best, my vet tested her feces, why is it so hard to understand and or believe that a trained professional who examined a sample and gave me the meds and suggested follow-up could be wrong. No offence intended but I would rather take hands on in person diagnosis and treatment than a herd owner who is on the other end of a computer. I value this site and appreciate the thoughts of others but I'll take someones trained personal advice first for the health of my various herds.

 

[Hillsvale]

@ hillsvale

Just wondering in hindsight would a higher dose helped save the twin that passed away...or was it already too late by the time you got the vets?

Hi A; I didn't have an opportunity to dose the other twin, by the time I did my thing (there is another thread), went to all the farm stores and two other vets... and finally managed a fecal sample of the poor boy... tossed work and meetings for the day and went in the complete opposite direction to where I should have been going (work), waited, waited waited for the sample and went back hme the buckling was dead. Less than 24 hours from onset that was noticable at least to me (other than the runny butt)

 

[arabianequine]

@ hillsvale

Just wondering in hindsight would a higher dose helped save the twin that passed away...or was it already too late by the time you got the vets?

Hi A; I didn't have an opportunity to dose the other twin, by the time I did my thing (there is another thread), went to all the farm stores and two other vets... and finally managed a fecal sample of the poor boy... tossed work and meetings for the day and went in the complete opposite direction to where I should have been going (work), waited, waited waited for the sample and went back hme the buckling was dead. Less than 24 hours from onset that was noticable at least to me (other than the runny butt)

Thats what I thought....sorry for your loss!

 

[Goatmasta]

Hillsvale, with you being in BC, there is probably a different dosage with the drugs. I think if you talked to different people around the US, you would probably find different dosages and those dosages work just fine for them. Getting dosages from the internet is a great way to start but I would verify with your local goat vet or very knowledgeable breeder. Hey, if in your area, Ivomec still works at 1cc per 50 lbs, why dose at 1cc per 25 lbs!

The reason you wouldn't dose @ 1cc/50lbs is resistance. That is why safe guard is no longer effective.

I want clarification for this thread...
Goatmasta - are you saying that you too believe that Hillsvale's vet recommended too long of a dose?...

I was commenting on the ivomec dosage. As far as the albon goes there is no way to tell unless you know what strength the albon was mixed at. Some Vets mix the albon themselves so you need to know how it was mixed. Not all albon is created equal. This is why I would only recommend albon in a pinch. You just can't give dosage advice on albon.

 

[arabianequine]

Another ?

What does using the di-methox do exactly prevent and/or treat cocci or both?

 

[helmstead]

I think like everything else a hands on approach is best, my vet tested her feces, why is it so hard to understand and or believe that a trained professional who examined a sample and gave me the meds and suggested follow-up could be wrong. No offence intended but I would rather take hands on in person diagnosis and treatment than a herd owner who is on the other end of a computer. I value this site and appreciate the thoughts of others but I'll take someones trained personal advice first for the health of my various herds.

Good luck to you then. (coming from a trained professional goat producer)

 

[helmstead]

Another ?

What does using the di-methox do exactly prevent and/or treat cocci or both?

Both, sort of. You use it as a preventive treatment in kids...or a clinical treatment for active cases.

Deccox, Rumensin...coccistats are true prevention via medicated feeds...but they also don't substitute sulfas.

 

[arabianequine]

Another ?

What does using the di-methox do exactly prevent and/or treat cocci or both?

Both, sort of. You use it as a preventive treatment in kids...or a clinical treatment for active cases.

Deccox, Rumensin...coccistats are true prevention via medicated feeds...but they also don't substitute sulfas.

I am sure I will have kids someday lol.

So I should have the di-methox on hand as well as? Deccox or Rumensin too? Do I need sulfa too?

Right now I have 3 does that I believe are pregnant and in late stages probably due in July/August.

Should I use any of these on them now? Is it safe for pregnant goats?

They don't have diarrhea but I have another thread under feeding goats section named iron....and I thought the 2 boer does gums looked a bit pale not terribly bad just not as pink as my toggs. I have wormed some in May and this last sat. but both times with horse paste. I used ivermectin the first time x2 their weight for the dose. The safe guard I just did a few days ago I did that x3 their weight.

I do plan on getting some ivermax pouron here soon.

I did get an iron supplement yesterday from my vet that I will be also giving the next few days also.

They all seem fine and don't seem sick. Poop is pellets and normal looking.