Coyote pack atack

[OneFineAcre]

No offense taken. And Mikey takes no offense either.
As long as you don't take offense when I say when I read "fact"s in complete disagreement with what I have personal knowledge of I question everything else that follows. If I didn't I'd need to call my friends and tell them they need to replace their dogs, that have served them well for many years now.

 

[woodsie]

Around here the more people I talk to the more I will be sure to never call the game warden. Seems that they have very little interest in keeping livestock safe but are more than happy to hand out fines.

The SSS seems to be the only short term solution for your friend if he wants to keep his livestock and pets safe. I always prefer prevention and am super thankful that my Pyrs keep our coyote packs on the other side of the fence but until you get a full-size team of LGDs, he's in a difficult spot. So sorry for his loss!

 

[Southern by choice]

The facts may be that they may not have a real predator threat.
Much depends on that fact alone.
Herding dogs cannot take out a bobcat or a wolf or a pack of coyotes... it is that simple.

If you choose to say that it is a fact that these other breeds are as successful as LGD Breeds at predator control than that is your opinion. Amazing though how many people have herding dogs and LGD's.
Basically you are saying you have personal knowledge of what... one farm with non LGD's that haven't lost any animals?

I know of many farms that have no LG of any kind and haven't lost any animals. Does that make it fact that farms with no LG will never have loss?

So you don't believe LGD's are all that... that's ok.
Live where I live with your goats and see how many animals you lose within the first year. There is a reason every farm around us have LGD's, those with cattle have donkeys.

Neighbor had his first dog snatched off his porch... the Doberman couldn't protect it? The second dog snatched, the Rottweiler was ineffective.
People should do what works for them, if things are working for them why change it? It is when it isn't working and you are losing livestock. Never would anyone with any knowledge about predator control recommend herding dogs.

 

[OneFineAcre]

The facts may be that they may not have a real predator threat.
Much depends on that fact alone.
Herding dogs cannot take out a bobcat or a wolf or a pack of coyotes... it is that simple.

If you choose to say that it is a fact that these other breeds are as successful as LGD Breeds at predator control than that is your opinion. Amazing though how many people have herding dogs and LGD's.
Basically you are saying you have personal knowledge of what... one farm with non LGD's that haven't lost any animals?

I know of many farms that have no LG of any kind and haven't lost any animals. Does that make it fact that farms with no LG will never have loss?

So you don't believe LGD's are all that... that's ok.
Live where I live with your goats and see how many animals you lose within the first year. There is a reason every farm around us have LGD's, those with cattle have donkeys.

Neighbor had his first dog snatched off his porch... the Doberman couldn't protect it? The second dog snatched, the Rottweiler was ineffective.
People should do what works for them, if things are working for them why change it? It is when it isn't working and you are losing livestock. Never would anyone with any knowledge about predator control recommend herding dogs.

No, I think LGD breeds are great. And you clearly have a great deal of knowledge and passion for these breeds which I respect.

And I'm not stating any facts other than the fact that I and others do fine with border collies or GP Border Collie mixes. Or like you said, there are farms that have no dogs of any kind and do not lose any livestock. I avoid stating facts as often as I can. I just don't always accept others passion as fact.

You have no more of a coyote problem where you live than I do. And, our coyotes are well fed by all of the deer struck by cars. We have no "marauding" packs here. You don't have them in Chatham County either.

My biggest threat just like yours is stray dogs.

Like we've said before, what works for one farm, may not work for another.

 

[Southern by choice]

One Fine I do not live in Chatham county and you live in a neighborhood, I do not.
In our region we have terrible issue with coyotes.
Stray dogs? Not here.

 

[frarmer1]

Well Yesterday Percy died from wounds received 2 days prior from a pack of 7 coyotes at only 4 years old. They came in my buddies drive down from the woods toward the goats and chicken pen. Percy was fighting them and loosing when Kc and his Boyfriend ran out with a gun. They did not get a shot in on any of the coyotes they just shot once in the air and the coyotes ran off. They didn't think Percy looked to bad no flapping skin just a few bloody bight marks but nothing serious. Percy passed away yesterday and was buried with other lost dogs a 14 year old pug and a five year old pug that was hit by his uncles truck. So now he is wanting one of our pups when they are born. He is going to listen to me and get a pair of them this time. He has a sever issue with coyotes they have jumped the fences and taken off with one of his pugs and his aunts yorkie. My question is what breed of LGD is best when dealing with coyotes? I know Anataolions look for predators and take them out before they become an issue. Does anyone have any suggestions? My pups the dad is 1/4 Merama and 3/4 GP the Mother is pure GP but I have not had them hit the ground yet. What other options are there. He has goats chickens pot belly pigs turkeys all in the same lot. Thanks for any suggestions. Heath

Learn to trap, or hire a reputable trapper. Not a loud obnoxious one,but, one who gets the job done with no injuries to your own animals. The pack will be back. You re in their territory. I live in Minnesota, my husband traps nuisance animals. Most people don't know he's there.

 

[frarmer1]

Well the issue with that is the KY Game wardens. There are certain seasons for them in our county because there are not enough....... When he called the game warden and told him the issues and the game warden told him its a good thing he didn't shoot the coyote because he would have ben fined. Sometime the most obvious things to us seem ridiculous to our government. Even a dog in this area has to bite the same person 3 times before the law can do anything but it can bite multiple people two times its fine...... The season on coyotes is comeing up soon but Shooting them is still illegal even if they are a threat to your stock in the state of KY.

Look up the local trappers association. There are always a few guys looking for a place to trap. Ask for references, like past land owners or other association members so you get one who is good, and won't catch your dogs or livestock, or simply educate the coyotes about traps. Plus, they will know the laws and have a liscence.

 

[frarmer1]

I recently got out of sheep because of wolves. Same situation. Can't control them because of the anti's.

 

[OneFineAcre]

One Fine I do not live in Chatham county and you live in a neighborhood, I do not.
In our region we have terrible issue with coyotes.
Stray dogs? Not here.

I thought you lived in Chatham, sorry. But that wasn't the point anyway.

Coyote distribution is fairly consistent in the Piedmont "region" of NC which you and a I are both in. We have as many here, as you have there.

I fully realize your situation is different than mine. That was my point. All farms are different, no one size fits all.

The neighborhood part, that's not really why because I back up to about 3000 acres of continuous farmland and timber. But, really more so the fact that my animals are secured close to the house at night. I have a small area to protect.

Most coyote livestock predation in NC is calves and lambs during calving and lambing on pastures. The larger the pasture area, the higher the risk.

Concentrating the birthing season by synchronized breeding in the fall, having birthing occur in stalls or corrals or paddocks are probably the absolute #1 thing that can be done to reduce loss to coyote predation. Coyotes are baby killers.

Oh, Mikey asked me to tell you he's much larger than the average coyote. Maybe twice the weight.

 

[OneFineAcre]

Heathen,
I'm sorry you lost your dog. I apologize for getting of the topic of your thread.