New Livestock Med Laws!!

[Latestarter]

All these places that don't have vets to make farm calls... What does a dairy or cattle farm do when they have a birthing problem? Do they have vets on staff? I don't see them taking a cow in stalled labor to a vet in a trailer...

 

[babsbag]

I'm not sure why TYlan powder is RX and Tylan injectable is OTC....its the same drug.

Tylan powder is Rx because it is a food or water additive and the injectable is not. They are not limiting antibiotics in general, only the ones that are added to feed and water.

 

[NH homesteader]

The one I'm talking about specializes in goats and sheep. And he will talk you through it on the phone. I imagine he would do limited local farm calls but I'm not close to him at all.

 

[babsbag]

Many vets will do a one time farm call and see your herd and your setup. Then if you have a sick animal you can call and give the details and they can then legally give you the meds without another visit. It is important that we learn to listen for lungs sounds, rumen sounds, take temps, give injections, and just be aware of changes in our animals. We have to be the eyes and ears. My vet is going to require a farm visit every 6-12 months depending on how often the herd dynamics change.

 

[alsea1]

It may serve to learn as much as possible about herbal healing.
I don't really think this law will have the desired effect as the large corp. outfits will have vets sign off on whatever they do now anyway.
It may well hurt the small time people that have a few head.
When I first heard about this I had my vet come out and do a farm call to see my animals and set up. It has paid off already.

 

[Green Acres Farm]

This won't affect me very much. I've even ordered OTC meds from my vet instead of online.

But, wouldn't be good for people with no vet nearby.

 

[casportpony]

All of these drugs will still be available if you know where to look, but it could take many days to have them shipped. Any of you ever seen a pigeon supply website or the Hawkes Twin City Poultry site?

 

[greybeard]

I suspect at some point, the FDA or state agencies will be cracking down on the sale of Rx drugs on eBay/craigslist type places, just as they are beginning to do in regards to internet suppliers that sell restricted herbicides without verifying the buyer has an applicator's license.
History has shown too, that in any situation, if a black/grey market demand is there, there will always be a black/grey market seller to meet said demand.
History has also shown, that the more people there are willing to participate in that activity, the more stringent the laws and rules will become.

 

[misfitmorgan]

All these places that don't have vets to make farm calls... What does a dairy or cattle farm do when they have a birthing problem? Do they have vets on staff? I don't see them taking a cow in stalled labor to a vet in a trailer...

They kill the calf, cut it up and pull it out dead or depending on the case kill the cow but the cow is always worth more then the calf so it depends on calf sex and cow age if they can determine all that. The large diary farms can get the vet to come out if they have more then one thing needed...like labor trouble with one cow. The vets will do see large cattle farmers because thats "big money", they have no interest in seeing small farms of mixed animals or even small herds of cattle. The only large animals most vets here will come see are horses(has to be more then one) or cattle and it has to be more then one there too.

Things never used to be like this but the old vets are retiring or dying and the middle-aged vets are retiring or only mentoring young vets and the young vets dont want to do farm calls. Takes to much time for to little pay is what they say. Going out to a farm and floating the teeth of one horse they charge $45 for the farm visit and $30 to float teeth...then minus mileage and time spent out of the office, compared to $30-80 for an office visit(depending on vet) and $30 to float teeth no mileage or time out of the office costs.

If they can say go out and TB skin test a cattle herd of 30 cows and charge the $45 farm visit plus $15 per cow/heifer/bull plus another $45 farm visit fee to come back and check the tests results which is $540 plus if any cows come back suspect they must be CCT tested giving the vet two more $45 fees plus the cost per cow to be tested. It they come back suspect from the CCT test it is done again giving 2 more farm visit fees plus cost per cow. If they again come back suspect the cow will be removed from the farm, killed and sent for testing. If those tests reveal they are positive for Bovine TB any cows who tested suspect on the first CCT much be tested again however they encourage entire herd depopulation which is a nice way of saying kill the entire herd and start over after waiting 1year beyond when the farm is sterilized. Upon repopulation the new herd must be tested a minimum of 6 times in 24 months and that is every single cow/heifer/bull. So yeah they will happily go TB test for large farms because most generally they get a few thousand dollars by the time they are done with that farm for the year.

 

[casportpony]

Here vets get close to $200 for floating a horses teeth.