babsbag
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@Ferguson K Do you think it is man or beast taking your animals ? 
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Ferguson K
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Southern, sounds like you're as hectic as us right now.
@babsbag - Man. Long running fight with my across the street neighbor, we have half an acre over there we want to put livestock on. BUT its in his front yard. I don't want to pick up dead hogs. Also probably coyotes. They're BAD out here. Calf stealing bad.
Send me Silver! Any dog that can take on coyotes and live is welcome here!
@babsbag - Man. Long running fight with my across the street neighbor, we have half an acre over there we want to put livestock on. BUT its in his front yard. I don't want to pick up dead hogs. Also probably coyotes. They're BAD out here. Calf stealing bad.
Send me Silver! Any dog that can take on coyotes and live is welcome here!
babsbag
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@Ferguson K So sorry, I would rather take on an animal than a person. That stinks big time.
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Coyotes are horrible tonight. It almost seems like they are everywhere. I know they aren't but wow.
So of course dogs are nuts and on high alert.
So are the goats.
Have a goat in the kidding stall she is so ready. Due Saturday but will probably go tomorrow. Thought trips but may be quads again.
Anyway she was very nervous even though NOTHING can get to her. We put Eliza in with her... she is all calm now.
Sometimes I forget just how comforted the goats are by the dogs.
This goat has been staying close to the dogs lately anyway. She also wanted her pen friend... the two goats have gotten very close over the past month or so.
Meanwhile Silver got "schooled" again by Chunk this time.
Silver wasn't doing anything wrong per se but Chunk is a very stand alone rule the field no nonsense dog... 8 months older than the pups but far more mature in ability.
Sometimes I feel bad for Silver. BUT the "standard" for the field is high and the dogs let him know.
I like his tenacity.
Not Leo and Pete will be in for the first few kiddings. Chunk will take the lead so I might not put him in at all. If he decides the kids are his he will only share with Callie... he may not share with the boys. But if the boys are in and Chunk is not then all will look after them.
BTW- I need a name for Not Leo- I really hate the name now.
Maybe I will put up a thread for "names".
So of course dogs are nuts and on high alert.
So are the goats.
Have a goat in the kidding stall she is so ready. Due Saturday but will probably go tomorrow. Thought trips but may be quads again.
Anyway she was very nervous even though NOTHING can get to her. We put Eliza in with her... she is all calm now.
Sometimes I forget just how comforted the goats are by the dogs.
This goat has been staying close to the dogs lately anyway. She also wanted her pen friend... the two goats have gotten very close over the past month or so.
Meanwhile Silver got "schooled" again by Chunk this time.
Silver wasn't doing anything wrong per se but Chunk is a very stand alone rule the field no nonsense dog... 8 months older than the pups but far more mature in ability.
Sometimes I feel bad for Silver. BUT the "standard" for the field is high and the dogs let him know.
I like his tenacity.
Not Leo and Pete will be in for the first few kiddings. Chunk will take the lead so I might not put him in at all. If he decides the kids are his he will only share with Callie... he may not share with the boys. But if the boys are in and Chunk is not then all will look after them.
BTW- I need a name for Not Leo- I really hate the name now.
Maybe I will put up a thread for "names".
babsbag
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LEON
babsbag
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LEON
Well, Mel put me on my a$$ this morning...
My daughter is over with her little dog and he & Mel love to run and tussle. Mystie is really to old to play like that anymore. So I was trying to get them calmed down in the dining room (they had come in from outside running) for cookies. Well, Mel decided to run between my legs and wouldn't fit, so as I was lifting my one leg to "dismount" (yes, like from a horse), he pushed sideways and as I tried to hop to re-gain balance, he started to fall and I ended up stepping on his tail, which of course rolled, and that was that. He was quite startled to see me fall and roll and thought maybe I was getting down to rough-house play with him as well. Once he figured out that was NOT the case, he laid right down beside me. No harm done. silly moose...
I'm not as young (or limber) as I used to be
My daughter is over with her little dog and he & Mel love to run and tussle. Mystie is really to old to play like that anymore. So I was trying to get them calmed down in the dining room (they had come in from outside running) for cookies. Well, Mel decided to run between my legs and wouldn't fit, so as I was lifting my one leg to "dismount" (yes, like from a horse), he pushed sideways and as I tried to hop to re-gain balance, he started to fall and I ended up stepping on his tail, which of course rolled, and that was that. He was quite startled to see me fall and roll and thought maybe I was getting down to rough-house play with him as well. Once he figured out that was NOT the case, he laid right down beside me. No harm done. silly moose...
I'm not as young (or limber) as I used to be
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Southern by choice
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Oh my that is scary really! The worst part is when they think oh time to play... then once they realize uh oh -they are so mortified!Then we feel bad because they are now devastated that they caused us to fall. We end up comforting themmmm!
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Hope you are ok and not feeling the bruising later.
The other day DD was checking goats and Ruby the Nubian who is a super sweetie pie has gotten real playful while pregnant...she pushes her head into you - usually very gentle but this day she kinda clunked DD in the chest... DD went oooh as it was kinda hard... anyway all 5 dogs heard this came running (that in itself is scary) to check out what happened.
DD was sitting when this happened... the dogs got between Ruby and DD they moved Ruby far away and all the dogs are sniffing DD and making sure she was ok.
Fortunately they didn't converge on her but did it one by one- can you imagine all 5 at once? anyway Blue climbed in her lap and stayed there.
They adore their goats but it sure is nice to know that they would step in at anytime for their human if they think their human was at risk.
bonbean01
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Amazing that all dogs came to protect and be sure your DD was okay! My Keera saved my butt not long ago when ram came to butt me for the first time ever and luckily Keera saw that and raced over and put herself between the ram and me, barking...ram backed off and I got out of there. These LGDs are awesome!
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The following was posted on another thread- I pulled out the parts I thought were important- this is a good topic for "teaching moments". I hope @Beekissed won't mind!
The poster brings up some really good points!
Sometimes what we see at first we can think- oh that's nice and we can be proud of the dog BUT then can come along an undesirable behavior. On the other side we may correct something that actually is beneficial.
One of our dogs protected us from a nasty goose as a very young pup- watched how we downed a goose- we push down on the back and hold the neck down til it submits- Our puppy <4months ("D" great Pyr) learned this from watching us. And when the goose would charge the children or us "D" would gently take his mouth put it around the neck push head to the ground and take his giant paw and put it on his back. Keep in mind this was a 60lb- 4month old puppy.
We actually liked this because the goose could really put a hurting on us. However, long term it caused the goose and that particular LGD a hate/hate relationship. To this day they hate each other.
In the posters comments there is a bigger picture and for each LGD owner the answer may not be the same but there are a few points to ponder. Raising LGD's for poultry is not always easy but is a great asset when accomplished.
While none of us find poultry chasing acceptable one exception may be for mating issues.
Anyone that breeds poultry know birds generally do not make a racket when mated. This only happens with immature roosters/young cockerels. They fail to court and the hens don't sit which of course leads to the squawking and noise and protest.
A mature roo will court the hen sits and mating is a sweet 10 seconds or less with no noise not even a peep and everyone goes on about their business.
We allow our LGD's to interrupt a mating where the hen is in clear protest. The protest is a distress call. The dogs will charge- never touching the roo- but will cause him to jump off and the dogs may or may not need to lope after them.
The reason we allow the dog to use their discernment is because we have lost hens to chicken rape. Yeah, no better way to say that. We have had a few hens that were just pounced on by 3-4 roos one after another and then over and over-til they went into shock and died. We have had some with combs torn off, bloody backs feathers pulled out by stupid young roos. Our mature Roos will run and kick the younger ones off to protect the hens- I do think it is possible the dogs have picked this up from them or it is just their instinct to protect. (BTW- roos we see do this get slaughtered)
The goal for the owner of course is to correct unnecessary knocking off of birds- dogs can learn the discernment. We never "taught" our dogs this they just developed this on their own.
The young dog will often get ancy with first time exposure the the breeding of does/bucks and ewes/rams. Dogs especially young dogs get upset when bucks spar during rut. All normal.
The poster is right on to correct the behavior.
The pup is young and actually just now entering into the possible "naughty with poultry" stage. The age of the pup is generally when poultry problems start. It is rare for young dogs to have issues.
The majority of the time 7-9 months is "poultry-time". Some start issues at 5-7 months.
Pups that were actually horrible with poultry as a baby pup tend to be done by 5-6 months. Dogs are silly!
@Beekissed has diligently worked with her pup for poultry- it is his only "livestock" so he will be fine because she DOES work with him. She will correct and be patient as she sees fit for her farm.
I thought it was a good thing to use in "moments" because poultry issues are many. As often as I preach on the developmental stages and when poultry issues can arise it still seems to be one of those things people don't think can or will happen.... dog is fine and then suddenly bam- stupid behavior ... and those issues start later 7-9 month stage is still the most common. Also think LONG TERM!
The poster brings up some really good points!
Sometimes what we see at first we can think- oh that's nice and we can be proud of the dog BUT then can come along an undesirable behavior. On the other side we may correct something that actually is beneficial.
One of our dogs protected us from a nasty goose as a very young pup- watched how we downed a goose- we push down on the back and hold the neck down til it submits- Our puppy <4months ("D" great Pyr) learned this from watching us. And when the goose would charge the children or us "D" would gently take his mouth put it around the neck push head to the ground and take his giant paw and put it on his back. Keep in mind this was a 60lb- 4month old puppy.
We actually liked this because the goose could really put a hurting on us. However, long term it caused the goose and that particular LGD a hate/hate relationship. To this day they hate each other.
In the posters comments there is a bigger picture and for each LGD owner the answer may not be the same but there are a few points to ponder. Raising LGD's for poultry is not always easy but is a great asset when accomplished.
While none of us find poultry chasing acceptable one exception may be for mating issues.
Anyone that breeds poultry know birds generally do not make a racket when mated. This only happens with immature roosters/young cockerels. They fail to court and the hens don't sit which of course leads to the squawking and noise and protest.
A mature roo will court the hen sits and mating is a sweet 10 seconds or less with no noise not even a peep and everyone goes on about their business.
We allow our LGD's to interrupt a mating where the hen is in clear protest. The protest is a distress call. The dogs will charge- never touching the roo- but will cause him to jump off and the dogs may or may not need to lope after them.
The reason we allow the dog to use their discernment is because we have lost hens to chicken rape. Yeah, no better way to say that.
We have had a few hens that were just pounced on by 3-4 roos one after another and then over and over-til they went into shock and died. We have had some with combs torn off, bloody backs feathers pulled out by stupid young roos. Our mature Roos will run and kick the younger ones off to protect the hens- I do think it is possible the dogs have picked this up from them or it is just their instinct to protect. (BTW- roos we see do this get slaughtered)The goal for the owner of course is to correct unnecessary knocking off of birds- dogs can learn the discernment. We never "taught" our dogs this they just developed this on their own.
The young dog will often get ancy with first time exposure the the breeding of does/bucks and ewes/rams. Dogs especially young dogs get upset when bucks spar during rut. All normal.
The poster is right on to correct the behavior.
The pup is young and actually just now entering into the possible "naughty with poultry" stage. The age of the pup is generally when poultry problems start. It is rare for young dogs to have issues.
The majority of the time 7-9 months is "poultry-time". Some start issues at 5-7 months.
Pups that were actually horrible with poultry as a baby pup tend to be done by 5-6 months. Dogs are silly!
@Beekissed has diligently worked with her pup for poultry- it is his only "livestock" so he will be fine because she DOES work with him. She will correct and be patient as she sees fit for her farm.
I thought it was a good thing to use in "moments" because poultry issues are many. As often as I preach on the developmental stages and when poultry issues can arise it still seems to be one of those things people don't think can or will happen.... dog is fine and then suddenly bam- stupid behavior ... and those issues start later 7-9 month stage is still the most common. Also think LONG TERM!
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