how do i get lice eggs off my pygmy doe kids

[cmjust0]

... you do not need to throw away the milk as you would with Ivermectin, and like medication.

Why? Or, rather...how do you know? Have their been milk withdrawal periods set on tea tree oil like their have been with ivermectin?

Seems to me that since the toxic portions of tea tree oil are readily absorbed through skin and stored in fat, and since goats impart fat to milk, then it would be reasonable to assume that some of the toxic parts of tea tree oil would be passed along in the butterfat?

And considering that nobody advises actually ingesting any amount of tea tree oil, and that the ACS says it's toxic when swallowed, is it possible that there should, perhaps, be a milk withdrawal period on tea tree oil that we don't know about?

Is it possible that we're maybe not seeing a potential risk because it's assumed to be safe simply because it's natural?

 

[Hollywood Goats]

I am not assuming, my aunt who has been in the medical practice for over 20 years, says that it is fine and is a preferred treatment for lice.
I trust her, you do not have to and no one else has to.

 

[()relics]

I have the solution...I have edited the appropriate "definitions" at Wiki....Good thing about Wikipedia...If you don't like the definition provided; You just change it...
....CM you are in this case, right...There are plenty of drugs that have withdrawl times listed for variuos species. The actual residue of the drug in the meat/milk is untested so since it has not been determined that the drug has completely dissipated; it is labled with a generic withdrawl time...Just To Be Safe...Where as any "natural product" is assumed to be safe because it is a natural product...kind of the opposite side of the coin...Again I have heard of people spraying their dogs with tea tree oil to stop itching, rashes, and as flea and tick repellant, and I have also heard horror stories of the ones that didn't pull through...

 

[Hollywood Goats]

I have both end of the argument working in my family, my mother is a certified herbalist and my aunt (her sister) has her doctorate in nursing and has been in practicing for over 20 years, they are always disagreeing over which medication to take for what, but usually my mother wins with hard facts, and proof.

Natural cures have to be toxic otherwise they would not work, unnatural are toxic in a different way, it is your choice as to which toxins you want to put in your body or on the bodies of your animals.

 

[Hollywood Goats]

Maybe I should have worded it differently: Doctor Bruanwell's professional opinion is that it is safe to use the milk after a tea tree oil treatment.

 

[PattySh]

One of my baby goats was COVERED in lice and nits (thousands!) when I got her. She was just a few days old. I washed her in Permithrin puppy shampoo.I only gave her the one bath and left the shampoo on 15 min. By the next day all the lice where dead and I combed them off with a flea comb. I could not get the nits out no matter what I tried, oil, corn starch, even a puppy flea comb. They were just too small. They never hatched which I was grateful for! As she grew (she's 4 months now) they fell out with the hair growth.

 

[mamaluv321]

I think the angle that us not being looked at here is the amount of said toxin actually needed to work; teatree is EXTREMELY toxic to insects so very little has to be used. The ivermectin may actually have a much larger ratio (please correct me if I'm wrong; I have no clue ) which is why you toss the milk. If you are using 2-3 drops of teatree in a carrier oil, the absorbtion rate, IMO, would be fairly low, probably undectable. Again, my 2 cents. Also, I have no personal experience with goat lice, I do have some with teatree. The reality is that what you get at most stores is an already "diluted" version anyhow, companies can't take the risk of law suits due to toxicity. And even then it still (but let me say PLEASE DILUTE AGAIN!) works great on lice and fleas, I've used it on my dog for 13 years (and myself for many different uses much longer) with no issue. But someone already said it, moderation is definately key with anything you choose to use.

As to the question of removing the nits, olive oil should help with that as well, helps them slide off the shaft of hair. Other wise, you could try just brushing them alot! Good luck!

 

[cmjust0]

Natural cures have to be toxic otherwise they would not work,

Not sure I believe this, but......ok, I guess.

unnatural are toxic in a different way

What different way??! What makes "natural" and "unnatural" toxins different, aside from the fact that one's "natural" and the other is "unnatural"? That's almost precisely what I keep having to ask, yet NOBODY seems to be able to give my an answer -- or even anything remotely close to an answer.

Can you?

Can anyone?!?

it is your choice as to which toxins you want to put in your body or on the bodies of your animals.

Can't argue with that, I suppose..

Maybe I should have worded it differently: Doctor Bruanwell's professional opinion is that it is safe to use the milk after a tea tree oil treatment.

Based on what? Has she done studies, or is this just her saying "Meh... It's probably fine."

 

[cmjust0]

I think the angle that us not being looked at here is the amount of said toxin actually needed to work; teatree is EXTREMELY toxic to insects so very little has to be used. The ivermectin may actually have a much larger ratio (please correct me if I'm wrong; I have no clue ) which is why you toss the milk. If you are using 2-3 drops of teatree in a carrier oil, the absorbtion rate, IMO, would be fairly low, probably undectable.

Ivomec injectable is 1% ivermectin. There's literally 0.5ml of actual ivermectin in a 50ml vial -- the rest is carrier.

Let's just say I give a 125lb lactating doe a 5ml dose of ivermectin injectable, SQ.. I've literally given her 10% of the vial, which translates to a measly 0.05ml of actual ivermectin -- literally, about one twentieth of a single drop. Even at those kinds of levels, ivermectin is detectable in milk -- based on what I've read -- for nearly two weeks.

Now....do we really think it's just impossible that the readily absorbed, fat soluble toxins in tea tree oil could possibly be detectable in milk? And if so...why? Because we have a hard time thinking about such small quantities of things having those kinds of effects?

And if that's the case, does it seem somewhat more possible now that we've all had occasion to consider just how little actual ivermectin is in a sizeable dose of 5ml, and for just how long it's detectable?

 

[Hollywood Goats]

Natural cures have to be toxic otherwise they would not work,

Not sure I believe this, but......ok, I guess.

unnatural are toxic in a different way

What different way??! What makes "natural" and "unnatural" toxins different, aside from the fact that one's "natural" and the other is "unnatural"? That's almost precisely what I keep having to ask, yet NOBODY seems to be able to give my an answer -- or even anything remotely close to an answer.

Can you?

Can anyone?!?

it is your choice as to which toxins you want to put in your body or on the bodies of your animals.

Can't argue with that, I suppose..

Maybe I should have worded it differently: Doctor Bruanwell's professional opinion is that it is safe to use the milk after a tea tree oil treatment.

Based on what? Has she done studies, or is this just her saying "Meh... It's probably fine."

She has studied it and she was the one who told me to use it.

the OP asked for advice I had some so I gave it
I am not a chemist or a doctor, I cannot look at a formula and tell you how each component responds to the other components, my mother and aunt can I am not going to bother my overworked mother or my widowed aunt about this.

Thank you