how do i get lice eggs off my pygmy doe kids

[mamaluv321]

unnatural are toxic in a different way

What different way??! What makes "natural" and "unnatural" toxins different, aside from the fact that one's "natural" and the other is "unnatural"? That's almost precisely what I keep having to ask, yet NOBODY seems to be able to give my an answer -- or even anything remotely close to an answer.

Can you?

Can anyone?!?

well, I'm trying... toxins have different reactions in different species. Just like some spider venom will kill a small rodent instantly but just make a full grown man a bit ill. Insects like like lice and fleas (and ants as well) have no tolerance. The tiny amount needed to actually kill the lice would likely not leave much trace in the goat. Besides, it takes ALOT of teatree oil to be toxic for humans; ever had teatree tooth picks? I have, for years. This is not to say I wouldn't use ivermectin if needed, it a broad spectrum where teatree isn't. Keeping in mind, I don't actually have any goats yet, still in my "research" phase. But I do have other animals and have used teatree for years, lightly, with no bad results. I have also read about ppl using half of a 6oz bottle to rid their dog of fleas, and it killed the dog. Just remember, the teatree is being topically, not orally. Much lower rate of absorption. Hopefully the came a bit closer to the answer you wanted!

 

[mamaluv321]

Also just wanted to say, not trying to get into a 'i'm right you're wrong' kinda debate, not my style. Everyone has the right to their ideals.

 

[MiltonVale]

Call me crazy but growing up it was a treat to get some tea tree chewing gum. I love this stuff!
Also use tea tree oil shampoo, It's the generic version of Paul Mitchell. It sells as: Paul Mitchell Tea Tree Special Shampoo. Leaves hair soft and manageable. Cleanses hair & scalp of impurities. I love this stuff too!
We use a tea tree diluted solution on our dogs during extreme flea outbreaks.
Mostly I use DT earth to control insects. "earth for the earth!"
Whatever you decide is the right choice for your herd, follow the recomended use or pactice or dose. Whichever the case may be.

 

[cmjust0]

well, I'm trying... toxins have different reactions in different species. Just like some spider venom will kill a small rodent instantly but just make a full grown man a bit ill. Insects like like lice and fleas (and ants as well) have no tolerance. The tiny amount needed to actually kill the lice would likely not leave much trace in the goat.

As I mentioned earlier.... A very scant 0.05ml of actual ivermectin will kill lice and mites off a full-grown goat weighing up to 150lbs, and can still leave traces in the milk for about two weeks.

How does that fact alone not kinda discredit the whole idea that...well, yanno...but it's just such a tiny amount of tea tree oil that it just couldn't possibly leave much of a trace.

I mean...it could...it really, really could. And the point is that we have literally no idea A) whether or not it actually does, nor B) if it could potentially be harmful if it turns out that it does.

Seriously, think about it.....you're talking about 0.05 mililiters of ivermectin.. Like, if you took a single drop of water and split it 20 ways...one portion of that would be about 0.05ml. And that can leave residue in the milk for up to TWO WEEKS!

Yet we're just assuming that there's just no possible way a few drops (a few whole ml's, in other words) could do the same thing...despite the fact that it could be 40-60 times as much tea tree oil as ivermectin.

Please...I beg...someone make sense of that for me.

Besides, it takes ALOT of teatree oil to be toxic for humans; ever had teatree tooth picks? I have, for years. This is not to say I wouldn't use ivermectin if needed, it a broad spectrum where teatree isn't. Keeping in mind, I don't actually have any goats yet, still in my "research" phase. But I do have other animals and have used teatree for years, lightly, with no bad results. I have also read about ppl using half of a 6oz bottle to rid their dog of fleas, and it killed the dog. Just remember, the teatree is being topically, not orally. Much lower rate of absorption. Hopefully the came a bit closer to the answer you wanted!

Unfortunately...not really. :/

I'm not knocking you...I'm just not getting any actual, verifiable answers to indicate that tea tree oil is any safer than ivermectin.

 

[cmjust0]

Call me crazy but growing up it was a treat to get some tea tree chewing gum. I love this stuff!
Also use tea tree oil shampoo, It's the generic version of Paul Mitchell. It sells as: Paul Mitchell Tea Tree Special Shampoo. Leaves hair soft and manageable. Cleanses hair & scalp of impurities. I love this stuff too!
We use a tea tree diluted solution on our dogs during extreme flea outbreaks.
Mostly I use DT earth to control insects. "earth for the earth!"
Whatever you decide is the right choice for your herd, follow the recomended use or pactice or dose. Whichever the case may be.

People use ivermectin to cure river blindness, kill internal parasites, etc.. People use it on people, I mean..

My original question was....can anyone tell me how tea tree oil is SAFER than ivermectin? That's what all the tea tree oil proponents were saying, basically..

Nobody's been able to back it up..

Something I'd like for everyone to understand is that I'm not knocking tea tree oil, per se...if it works and it's safe, great! If it's safer than ivermectin, even better!

Just show me...give me reason to believe that.. I've sought it out on my own, and I can't find it.. Until I do, it looks like a potential neurotoxin that's fat-soluble, can be OD'd, and for which there's no antidote nor proven dosage levels and withdrawal periods..

To me....hell, at least ivermectin has dosages and withdrawals, even if it, too, can be ODd and has no antidote.

Again, I ask of anyone and everyone..........show me how it's SAFER than ivermectin. That's really all I'm looking for!!

 

[Hollywood Goats]

A medical study of Ivermectin:

http://www.ema.europa.eu/pdfs/vet/mrls/091504en.pdf

I don't have the time to get a informative one on tea tree oil

 

[mamaluv321]

I don't need a scientific study done to tell me that teatree is safe, I've used it for long enough to know. And to be honest after seeing "studies" that have been done on herbal remedies by the FDA, I don't really trust over half of them because they were paid for by corps selling synthetics. Ivermectin is a Synthetic version of a plant dirivative. I personally trust plant chemicals more than manmade ones. Plants don't have monetary motivations. Just my feelings.

 

[Hollywood Goats]

I don't need a scientific study done to tell me that teatree is safe, I've used it for long enough to know. And to be honest after seeing "studies" that have been done on herbal remedies by the FDA, I don't really trust over half of them because they were paid for by corps selling synthetics. Ivermectin is a Synthetic version of a plant dirivative. I personally trust plant chemicals more than manmade ones. Plants don't have monetary motivations. Just my feelings.

My mother has found proof that the FDA fakes studies for big drug companies to make more money.

 

[cmjust0]

A medical study of Ivermectin:

http://www.ema.europa.eu/pdfs/vet/mrls/091504en.pdf

I don't have the time to get a informative one on tea tree oil

I've looked for such studies on tea tree oil...can't really find one.

That's kinda the whole problem I'm pointing out.

I don't need a scientific study done to tell me that teatree is safe, I've used it for long enough to know. And to be honest after seeing "studies" that have been done on herbal remedies by the FDA, I don't really trust over half of them because they were paid for by corps selling synthetics. Ivermectin is a Synthetic version of a plant dirivative. I personally trust plant chemicals more than manmade ones. Plants don't have monetary motivations. Just my feelings.

That's all well and good, but it still doesn't answer the question about whether or not it's safer than ivermectin.

 

[cmjust0]

BTW, all.....ivermectin isn't a synthetic version of a plant dervative, nor is it some 100%, lab-created monstrosity..

Avermectins -- the active ingredients in ivermectin -- are actually biosynthesized by streptomyces avermilitis bacteria.

And by biosynthesized, I mean created.

Yeah...you're reading right...ivermectin is basically created by bacteria. It's pretty much a natural byproduct of bacterial activity that happened to be discovered and exploited by man.