Latestarter's ramblings/musings/gripes and grumbles.

[babsbag]

I buy generic heart worm pills from Canada, they aren't chewable but a Pill Pocket takes care of that. No script needed. I can't afford chewable pills for 6 dogs. I have also been known to give Ivermectin orally, 1/10 cc for every 10lbs.

 

[OneFineAcre]

I buy generic heart worm pills from Canada, they aren't chewable but a Pill Pocket takes care of that. No script needed. I can't afford chewable pills for 6 dogs. I have also been known to give Ivermectin orally, 1/10 cc for every 10lbs.

My family has raised bird dogs many years
We have always given Ivermectin orally
That's what I give mine now same dose
No way I could afford heart guard for all of these

 

[greybeard]

Eating fat doesn't make you fat,

Sure it will.
Sugar does it much easier, and so do carbs, but both (as well as fatss) are sources of calories. Most fat has around 10 calories/gram. That's twice as much calories as carbohydrates. The more fat you eat, the more calories you take in. The body stores fat for energy, which is a good thing, unless you don't make use of it, then it just keeps getting 'stored'. Under exertion, our body uses carb energy first, then starts using fat energy. That's why it's so hard to lose weight when you have a fatty diet. The fat you eat gets stored in adipose tissue, which among other places, is around internal organs. Belly fat.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

She said she didn't want me to feel like I was being forced to get the test, to which I replied but I AM being forced as you won't give me a scrip without it. Bottom line I had to (chose to) pay the $15 for the blood test in order to get him the 6 month shot ($70 compared to $160 or $270 for the 2 most common brands of chewables - 6 month supply), which of course came back negative, exactly as I told them it would.

I used to shake my head at it too, but then I started seeing the resistance issues.
Some HW is now resistant to Ivermectin
I know a lady who faithfully gave her dog the proper Ivermectin tablets every month. She needed more (end of the year) so took her dog to the vet for a yearly checkup and did the annual HW check.

It was POSITIVE!

She was mortified and shocked.
Turns out the whole area was having resistance issues.

We run tests on ours every year to be sure.

ETA not really sure what to tell you on how long to dump the milk

 

[goatgurl]

dang joe, what a nightmare! note to self, look for a more goat savvy vet. did you not have them checked after you moved them or after dot kidded? and cocci for dots age is really unusual. mel and cc are gonna love you for all the extra milk they are going to get for the next month or so. now would be a good time to get a feeder pig and share the wealth.
as for the heart worms rx I give ivermec orally to all of my dogs except JJ. have for years and years. I've always given a bit more than the prescribed dosage and to my knowledge there is no resistance in this area and I hope it stays that way.
and @greybeard is right, fat does make fat. sugar and starch are worse culprits but if you follow the all things in moderation rule it usually works (says the little fat lady who can't seem to do it herself). congrats on you weight loss so far. proud of you.

 

[Southern by choice]

OK... I had my own concerns with this as I specifically asked her today about the wormer she used and the fact that the literature specifically says NOT to use in dairy cows because milk withdrawal times had NOT been established. She said she needed to check, left for a bit, then came back and said there is no withdrawal time and that I could use the milk right now. Sorry, that does NOT sound right to me and now I'm guessing to be on the safe side I'll wait at least 30 days. What do y'all think about that plan? I'm seriously reconsidering my initial evaluation of this vet. <sigh>... my luck... too good to be true it seems. I'll start looking around for another large animal vet close by that DOES have goat experience.

It was specifically the injectable, not the pour on. I made sure of that before I got it. Had I known about all this before hand, I would have asked about a different brand/type of dewormer to use. As expected, the bed of the truck was coated with droppings by the time I got to the clinic. I asked the techs if it was too soon after the deworming to do a re-float and was told it was... Need to wait a week to 10 days. So I'll get it done some time after the week of the 4th. (maybe at a different clinic? )

So Mel went in for his meet and greet today. He weighed 138 pounds. I was hit with the "professional" requirement that he have a heart worm blood test before they would write a scrip for the meds. I explained that he was just dosed with his last chewables and that a test should not be necessary. She said she didn't want me to feel like I was being forced to get the test, to which I replied but I AM being forced as you won't give me a scrip without it. Bottom line I had to (chose to) pay the $15 for the blood test in order to get him the 6 month shot ($70 compared to $160 or $270 for the 2 most common brands of chewables - 6 month supply), which of course came back negative, exactly as I told them it would. The shot is also supposed to work on round and whip worms so counts as a deworming for him. I also asked specifically if this shot would be too much since he just had the chewables... she replied no.

He also got his rabies shot. I kinda jokingly asked her if he'd need to be tested for rabies before she could give him that shot... she replied no, to which I said, oh, well that's good, he'd be about useless without a brain... Perhaps that wasn't such a good exchange looking back...

Mel was a champ and lived up to his name. Such a laid back (Mellow) great pup When we got home he didn't even think about exploring... when he came down out of the back seat of the truck he headed straight for the door into the air conditioned house and crashed out on the nice cool wood floor. He's spent most of the afternoon recouping from the arduous encounter/evolution. He was a huge hit with the staff and other customers. One lady actually took pictures of him to show her husband.

Eprinex pour on according to Farad has no withholding if used as labeled at dosage labeled.... unfortunately Longrange although has the main ingredient is given differently and formulated differently so I think they are saying no withholding based on Eprinex pour on - if meat with LR is 48 days (i think that is what it said) I am with you in withholding for a month to be on the safe side.

I personally would not feed the milk to the goats or the dog. Mel just had a shot that last for 6 months (which I personally am not a fan of but that is another issue all together) and this is in a similar class of drug so that IMO is risky since you really don't know what is coming through that milk.

It takes time to build a relationship with a vet and it is ok to ask questions and present info especially if there is confusion or contradiction in application.
Sign up for any extension classes you can find on parasite control- usually they will do FAMACHA certification as well. Card in hand is far better then just looking at inner eyelid membrane with nothing to compare to. Many say they don't need the card but human nature is to see the 3 colors on the card not the 5.
When we are teaching a class or consulting we ask the people to evaluate without the card. Then we use the card. When they look at the card most (9 out of 10) will always go one level higher than what is really showing. Often when a goat is at a D-4 they think the goat is ok because they see pink but have nothing to really compare the shade of pink to and they do nothing. That shade is one step above the near death white! Rainy and humid times you want to check more often. Blooms happen quickly.

Glad Mel was a good boy. Callie and D always walked into the vets office like they own the joint! Blue does it too! Pete is always great with the vets but doesn't act like he owns it.
Even when Callie was so sick and dying she was cool as a cucumber with being there and the staff. Best dog we've ever owned. Boy do I miss her - everyday.

 

[Bruce]

and @greybeard is right, fat does make fat. sugar and starch are worse culprits

I didn't mean to say that eating fat doesn't create fat in one's body but that it generally isn't the culprit for people's weight problems. As you noted, sugar, carbs and starches are the bigger problem - because they are generally eaten in larger quantities by most people, at least in the USA.

I think for most people, cutting sugar/starch/carb intake by 10% will go much farther than cutting fat intake by 10%. Seems like every few years what is considered "good" or "bad" changes. Eggs are good, eggs are bad, eggs are good again. Butter is good, butter is bad, use margarine instead. Oops, butter isn't bad but partially hydrogenated fat (margarine) IS bad. I think that in general, cutting processed foods (yeah, the easy to make breakfast, lunch and dinner things plus tasty snacks in bags!) is the best bet.

 

[greybeard]

Eggs are good, eggs are bad, eggs are good again. Butter is good, butter is bad, use margarine instead. Oops, butter isn't bad but partially hydrogenated fat (margarine) IS bad.

Most of that is in regards to heart disease/cholesterol, and not obesity.

Anything with calories, including excess protein, that is not burned off can and often does turn to stored fat.

 

[Mike CHS]

We had neighbors over for dinner this afternoon and I served smoked beef and pork ribs. I would think both of those would qualify as detrimental to lean diets.

 

[Bruce]

Pasture raised? From my reading it is far healthier than grain pumped, er finished, animals.