Latestarter's ramblings/musings/gripes and grumbles.

[Latestarter]

OK for those who asked, the dewormer used is "Longrange" here's an info link; http://thelongrangelook.com/legacy-assets/pdf/longrange-pi.pdf
I read the info and it says "This drug product is not approved for use in female dairy cattle 20 months of age or older, including dry dairy cows. Use in these cattle may cause drug residues in milk and/or in calves born to these cows." so I have no idea how that applies to goats...

Took the goats in early, before lunch as it looked like it was going to rain and I didn't want to chance dealing with that. The lab they use for the CA/CAE/Johnes test is Pan American Veterinary Lab in Lexington TX; http://pavlab.com/ They are open for deliveries on Saturday (tomorrow) and they had the UPS guy there as they were packaging up the samples to go. I was told they will run the tests on Monday and we should have the results by end of the week.

So about to head out with Mel for his appt.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I absolutely cannot believe they would give this dewormer.

I actually told SBC "I REALLY REALLY hope they didn't shoot the goats up with Longrange"

The vets need to seriously look at this and look at how they are now contributing to "super worms".

In cattle it might be fine, but this should NEVER be used in sheep and goats.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

To keep it short- I know of a farm that used this.
They used it for I think several years in their sheep.
I was against it as it was new drug and had very little info in it. With the way sheep and goats metabolize I thought it could be a disaster.

It has been.

Last I heard, after using it for some time the flock looked the worse than ever.
Parasite issues
A lot of loss.

They stopped using it but are dealing with the effects (bad)

I believe they are dealing with some "super worms" and have recommended that they send a fecal out to a lab that can hatch the eggs and see what chemicals are best to use for parasite treatment.
I don't know whether or not they did..... We have some disagreements so I left it at that.

http://www.wormx.info/longrange


Things may have changed since 2014.... but not many are following up after a few years.
Just like many other things- you hear the great stuff right away- but who wants to update years later when things take a turn in the other direction?

 

[OneFineAcre]

You better talk to the vet about milk withdrawal.

 

[Southern by choice]

Wormx is the...
American Consortium for Small Ruminant Parasite Control

These are the leading researchers for goats and they really are great, although focus is meat goats (understandably) the seminars are fantastic.
I have been to several and they have been great.
Dr. Linginbuhl was one of the people I spoke with before I ever went to one of the conferences, he took a great deal of time with me on the phone when we were considering starting in meat goats. When I asked about the different breeds before I could even say anything about the Kikos (which we were considering) he recommended the Kiko.
Amazingly helpful.

FARAD is where you can see milk withdrawel if it is listed.
Because the dewormer used is not for lactating dairy animals it may not be listed....

I just looked...
http://www.farad.org/WDCalc/

Your vet will need to contact them as your species is not listed AND it isn't for use in dairy.

 

[Devonviolet]

I stopped by our Vet today, to pay our bill, and he spent a lot of time answering my questions. He owns a herd of Spanish/Boer cross goats. So is quite knowledgable about goats.

I asked him about Longrange. He said it is an ivermectin (aka maclid) type wormer, and is a "pour over" not injectable. This class of wormer has been used for so long, there is a lot of worm resistance with it. It is not labeled for use with goats, because it is a slow release wormer, and goats need to have a hard hit (with higher doses, than this gives being slow release) to be effective against goat's worms. If you use slow release, it puts out too low a dose over time, and since it doesn't kill most of the worms, they just become resistant. It also isn't good for dairy goats because it takes so long to clear the system, the milk is unusable for a long period of time. For these reasons, he said he would never give it to goats.

 

[babsbag]

They likely won't catch apnea in the hospital unless they happen to be in the room when the patient stops breathing.

He was in ICU on a O2 monitor and an alarm went off whenever his levels dropped but they dropped so often that there was no way to determine why...could have been apnea or the pneumonia.

 

[babsbag]

There is an injectable Longrange. (eprinomectin)

http://www.wormx.info/longrange

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I stopped by our Vet today, to pay our bill, and he spent a lot of time answering my questions. He owns a herd of Spanish/Boer cross goats. So is quite knowledgable about goats.

I asked him about Longrange. He said it is an ivermectin (aka maclid) type wormer, and is a "pour over" not injectable. This class of wormer has been used for so long, there is a lot of worm resistance with it. It is not labeled for use with goats, because it is a slow release wormer, and goats need to have a hard hit (with higher doses, than this gives being slow release) to be effective against goat's worms. If you use slow release, it puts out too low a dose over time, and since it doesn't kill most of the worms, they just become resistant. It also isn't good for dairy goats because it takes so long to clear the system, the milk is unusable for a long period of time. For these reasons, he said he would never give it to goats.

Long range is an injectable
http://thelongrangelook.com/

 

[Goat Whisperer]

@Devonviolet
There is a pour on eprinomectin "eprinex" but the "long range" is injectable.