~Livinwright Farm's kidding thread~ 2 preggers does... hopefully :)

[ksj0225]

 

[Livinwright Farm]

Took Cali's temp this morning: 102.4 ... and we are still waiting.... Seriously, how far past day 150 can she go?!?! By all calculations she is somewhere between day 163 & 166... this is CRAZY!!! I KNOW there was NO chance of her breeding after Thanksgiving!! What is going on?!?!

She did start a new odd behaviour Sunday... she was nibble cleaning her legs and side, and then started mouthing and pulling on her teats... I assume trying to stimulate them in preperation for her little ones..???

 

[aggieterpkatie]

Hate to say it but it sounds to me she did not get bred when you think she did. She's either not bred or she got bred at a later date. Stranger things have happened!

 

[Livinwright Farm]

Hate to say it but it sounds to me she did not get bred when you think she did. She's either not bred or she got bred at a later date. Stranger things have happened!

If she settled 3-4 days post breeding she can go another 2 days at least... the vet an hour's drive one way away fronm me, who has worked with goats who were accidentally bred very young(like Cali), said that is is not abnormal/unusual for a doeling so young to go 2 weeks past due.

I know that she IS pregnant, felt the babies move on more than one occassion(upper right side & lower left side simultaneously), feeling backs/heads/bums and hooves.
I really can't see how she could have been bred after thanklsgiving, given that she was not out at the same time as the boys from Black Friday through February. We are just waiting for her to pop!

 

[helmstead]

Hate to say it but it sounds to me she did not get bred when you think she did. She's either not bred or she got bred at a later date. Stranger things have happened!

I agree, and if by some far stretch you are right about her breeding date...regardless of what your vet is saying, there's a BIG problem.

People have also been sure of feeling kids, when they weren't, and months later had to admit it. Goats are masters of "made ya look!"

 

[aggieterpkatie]

People have also been sure of feeling kids, when they weren't, and months later had to admit it. Goats are masters of "made ya look!"

I sold a buck to some people last year and they were keeping me updated on when their doe kidded. Well, I kept getting texts saying, "Any day now!" and "Her udder is huge!" and then nothing! She didn't kid last year, and I know the buck was proven, so it's not him. Same rigamaroll this year. The buck sired some kids with their friend's doe, but their doe hasn't kidded yet. About a month ago they texted me nearly every night saying, "I think it's tonight!" and still nothing.

 

[Livinwright Farm]

I know how someone could mistake gas or muscle movement for a kid moving, but when you feel 3 & 4 distinct hooves kicking & pushing against your hand... that is unmistakeable. If she hasn't kidded by the end of the month, I will take her down to the livestock vet in Pembroke for analysis & potentially an ultrasound(if they do them there).

We had been good about having Cali in the stall that she couldn't get under(extra board along the bottom so chicks couldn't even get in with her). BUT for the first week or two after Thanksgiving she had been in a different stall... so, IF she managed to get out of her stall and in with the boys, which wasn't her first choice when she squirmed out... then we are talking another 2 weeks. When she used to squirm out of her stall she would squirm into her mom's(Momma) and try to nurse.
Also, I was just looking through my records, and Cali was out in the community section with the group on January 21st. There was no mounting observed that day though, just nibbling on hemlock branches to their hearts' content, and when finished, Cali was placed back in her squirm-under-proof stall. IF(big, Big, BIG IF) the boys managed to attack her that day without me seeing it happen(I have excellent peripheral vision, btw), then she would be due around June 20th...

We shall see... hoping she is just really, unusual even for her age, past due and gets it over with by the time the week is over.

 

[helmstead]

ETA: If people can please keep in mind that she is onl 9 months old & HEAVILY pregnant... and that I have not come across anyone on here who has experience with VERY young doelings being pregnant & carrying to term.
In actuality, the only person I have come across who does have experience with this, is the vet I talked wth in Maine. So, I am taking his knowledge, experience with it, and advice until she goes past the furthest stretch of possibility.

When we first got into goats, we unwittingly bred our 4 month old doe Helen to a 3 month old buck, Henry. So, yeah, I have hands on experience here. The kid, BTW, had to be cut into pieces IN UTERO to be extracted after FOUR HOURS of trying to pull it, and we nearly lost Helen.

 

[SDGsoap&dairy]

It's good to keep in mind too that her udder hasn't been full/strutted either... The udder pics you've shared have been consistent with a doe bred on a later date. I only mention this because I'm sure you're stressed about her being overdue.

 

[SDGsoap&dairy]

ETA: If people can please keep in mind that she is onl 9 months old & HEAVILY pregnant... and that I have not come across anyone on here who has experience with VERY young doelings being pregnant & carrying to term.
In actuality, the only person I have come across who does have experience with this, is the vet I talked wth in Maine. So, I am taking his knowledge, experience with it, and advice until she goes past the furthest stretch of possibility.

:/